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Bob Moyer
Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 8, 2014 at 12:09:56 am

I am new to Vegas 13, coming from Vegas 10. I had all my projects set up with a default setting but I am not sure if they are correct. My projects are all going on BluRay disks.

What I am working with is this:
New files are 59.940 fps progressive, 1920x1080x12, AVC. When I open one of these files in Vegas 13, the default template that comes up is
"Custom (1920x1080, 59.940 fps)",Field order: "None (progressive scan), Pixel format: "8 Bit".

When I render I choose: "Blu-Ray 1920x1080-60i, 25 Mbps video stream" (29.970 fps, UPPER field first) under Main Concept MPEG-2.

Is this ALL correct? Should I change the project properties to reflect the different fps and field order?? There are NO templates in the drop down list on the project properties that reflect these numbers other than "HD-1080-60i(29.970 fps)" Should I select this last template?

Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

Bob


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John Rofrano
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 8, 2014 at 12:30:51 am

[Bob Moyer] "Is this ALL correct? Should I change the project properties to reflect the different fps and field order?? There are NO templates in the drop down list on the project properties that reflect these numbers other than "HD-1080-60i(29.970 fps)" Should I select this last template?"
Your editing will be smoother if you have your project match your footage format. The problem you may have is when you go to render, Vegas may try and blend fields to go from 60fps to 30fps and make a ghostly mess. You may have to Disable Resample on all of your video events on the timeline before rendering to get Vegas to drop every other frame.

If you know you are delivering for Blu-ray and you have no other reason for shooting 60fps I would shoot 30fps (i.e., 29.97fps) instead.

~jr

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Bob Moyer
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 8, 2014 at 12:52:25 am

John, thanks for getting back so quickly. I shoot only hockey and soccer games for my grandsons. I thought the 60i would be best for all the quick action. I have done Blu-ray via Vegas 10 and didn't have any problems with ghosting. Would everything render properly if I just chose the HD 1920x1080x60i template (and Start all projects with this setting) and let Vegas change the file properties as I added them to the timeline?

Bob


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Graham Bernard
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 8, 2014 at 9:57:22 am

Bob, I'm having a real problem understanding your reply to John. Can you put it another way?

G

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John Rofrano
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 8, 2014 at 10:53:14 am

[Bob Moyer] "I shoot only hockey and soccer games for my grandsons. I thought the 60i would be best for all the quick action."
I thought you said you were shooting 60p not 60i. You are correct that 60p is better for the fast action. It's just that Blu-ray cannot deliver 60p at 1080 so you need to render to 60i.
[Bob Moyer] "I have done Blu-ray via Vegas 10 and didn't have any problems with ghosting."
If you have shot 60p and delivered 60i on Blu-ray before and it looks great then you are all set.
[Bob Moyer] " if I just chose the HD 1920x1080x60i template (and Start all projects with this setting) and let Vegas change the file properties as I added them to the timeline?"
You can try that. I was only pointing out that if your playback lags or stutters you might want to change your project to match your media so that Vegas doesn't have to convert it on the fly. It would be preferable to keep your project and render settings the same so yes, choose the HD 1920x1080x60i template as the starting point.

~jr

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Bob Moyer
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 8, 2014 at 5:56:08 pm

Okay, sorry for any confusion I have caused. John, you are correct, my camera does shoot 60p, I render to 60i.

What confuses me most is the difference between the 'project properties' and my 'render as' settings. If I take a clip directly from my camera and put it on the timeline, it sets the project properties to "Custom (1920x1080, 59.940 fps)",Field order: "None (progressive scan), Pixel format: "8 Bit". If I then change the properties to HD 1920x1080x60ix29.970 fps, Upper Field First, there is no apparent computer activity that indicates it is actually changing anything except on the properties. Why would it make a difference if Vegas makes these changes during the render as opposed to the property changes. I know I am not making this clear. Again thanks for your information...I will follow your advice...I just don't fully understand the process.

Bob

PS. If you take an AVC clip such as I mentioned in the first post and put it on the timeline in Vegas 13 as a new project....what are your project properties set to (assuming that you want to output this to a Blu-Ray disk using the MC template I mentioned)? This is a Panasonic 900.


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John Rofrano
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 9, 2014 at 10:52:53 am

[Bob Moyer] "If I then change the properties to HD 1920x1080x60ix29.970 fps, Upper Field First, there is no apparent computer activity that indicates it is actually changing anything except on the properties. Why would it make a difference if Vegas makes these changes during the render as opposed to the property changes."
The project properties determine how Vegas will present the video to you while you are editing. For example, if you changed your project properties to 24p, Vegas will give you a 24p timeline and will dynamically playback your 60p video at 24p dropping and blending frames as it needs to in real-time. As far as you are concerned you are editing 24p at that point. Any generated media like titles will be created as 24p to match the project. So the project affects how you edit the video regardless of how you intend to render it. This is why setting your project to match your render will avoid any surprises when rendering because you should see the same thing you have been editing.

As you might imagine, if your project is set to 60p and your source video is 60p then Vegas just needs to show you each frame one by one. If, however, you set your project to 30p and your source video is 60p, Vegas has to convert 60p to 30p just to play back the timeline. This may or may not cause the timeline to lag and stutter depending on your computer power, number of tracks, and source video format.

~jr

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Bob Moyer
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 9, 2014 at 1:01:11 pm

John,
Thank you VERY much for that reply. You completely answered my question and addressed my concerns. I really appreciate your help and the time you devote to answering our questions.
Bob


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John Rofrano
Re: Need assistance setting correct project properties
on May 9, 2014 at 5:25:02 pm

You're welcome Bob. I'm glad that helped your understanding.

~jr

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