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Alexander Lee
Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 26, 2014 at 3:51:38 am

I'm an animation student and I will be submitting an short film to a festival which requires these specific video formats:

Accepted Video Codecs:
Apple ProRes 422

DNxHD

Accepted NTSC Video Wrappers:
Quicktime


I'm on Windows 7, and I am looking to buy professional video editing software which will be able to render these codecs without quality issues. After some research, I am leaning toward buying Sony Vegas Pro 12. However, I have seen that some people have encountered artifacts when rendering in Vegas in the DNxHD format, and I don't think it's easily possible to render ProRes from a non-Mac environment.

Please correct me if I am wrong, and I would love to hear suggestions of other software to use if Vegas isn't the best for these codecs.


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Norman Black
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 26, 2014 at 4:33:05 am
Last Edited By Norman Black on Apr 26, 2014 at 5:56:12 am

You can do DNxHD by installing the free Avid DNxHD codecs into Quicktime. Of course this means you must have Quicktime installed as well.
You can get the Avid codecs here.
http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/Avid-Codecs-LE-2-3-9

I have never seen any artifacts rendering to DNxHD. My use of DNxHD is as an intermediate format to pass to Handbrake to render AVC playback encodes.

As for ProRes. This is a proprietary codec of Apple which they support in Apple software only. FCP, FCP X, Motion, etc.

Apple does allow decoding of ProRes everywhere, so with Quicktime installed you can playback ProRes in Vegas.

The ffmpeg project has reverse engineered ProRes and supports encoding this. To do this you will have to render an intermediate of some sort, like uncompressed, and the encode to ProRes with an external utility. cliptoolz is one example.

Here is a thread on ProRes.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=889085


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Alexander Lee
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 26, 2014 at 4:45:53 am

Thanks so much! I guess I will probably go with Vegas then, although I'd like to hear any more opinions if anyone else has experience with these codecs and Vegas.


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John Rofrano
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 26, 2014 at 11:31:03 am

I'm surprised an animation festival is not requesting that you use the QuickTime Animation codec which is specifically designed to handle animation. Perhaps it produces files that are too large? Anyway, you shouldn't have any problems with Avid DNxHD. I haven't heard of any artifact problems at all. In fact, it's one of the only codecs that doesn't have gamma problems when transferring between PCs and Macs.

I have a tutorial on my web site that will show you how to create the template you need:

Avid DNxHD Template for Vegas Pro

BTW, Vegas Pro 13.0 just came out so that's the version you want to buy.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Alexander Lee
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 27, 2014 at 2:10:04 am

Thanks everyone for the help. Thanks for the tutorial, John, I followed it and I think I am getting good DNxHD results already out of my trial version of Sony Vegas 13.


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John Rofrano
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 27, 2014 at 11:53:29 am

[Alexander Lee] "Thanks for the tutorial, John, I followed it and I think I am getting good DNxHD results already out of my trial version of Sony Vegas 13."
You're welcome. Glad the tutorial helped.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Dave Haynie
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 28, 2014 at 7:23:22 pm

[John Rofrano] "I'm surprised an animation festival is not requesting that you use the QuickTime Animation codec which is specifically designed to handle animation. "

The Apple Animation CODEC is pretty limited to traditional 2D cell, pencil and paint style animation. It does run-length encoding and conditional replenishment, so it's better than uncompressed if you're animating very simple characters over a fixed background. But anything too sophisticated and the file could actually grow larger than uncompressed. It also does alpha channel.

I think the main purpose for this is intermediates in an animation workflow, same thing I do with uncompressed. You're saving a little disc space, and you have transparency and no loss to manage layers of editing. There's also apparently some performance issues with this CODEC, though it's hard to say for sure. Many PCs are not built to support uncompressed 1080p playback (about 150MB/s) without judder. So the same is at least occasionally true of the Apple Animation CODEC.

-Dave


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Alexander Lee
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 28, 2014 at 8:10:24 pm

Yes, I think they are using it as an intermediate file type. They take all of the animation clips and edit them together into a feature-length presentation, and based on the codecs they requested, they must do it on Mac systems.

I did notice some performance issues when I played back my 1080p test video. Hopefully I will be able to get a good idea of how my final animation file looks by converting it into something else in Handbrake so I can view it on my PC before shipping it out.


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Dave Osbun
Re: Can Vegas render these codecs?
on Apr 26, 2014 at 1:50:22 pm

I, too, have rendered to DNxHD as an intermediary for use in Handbrake and the quality of the video was perfect.

Dave


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