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Sean Dre
Vegas Lagging
on Jun 14, 2018 at 1:51:36 pm

Hey guys,

i hope one of you can give me an advise from experience.

I just got a new PC

Windows 10
Mainboard: Asus Prime B350plus
CPU: Ryzen 2700x
GPU: Asus Geforce 1060 6GB
RAM: 16GB

It's a solid system. I am editing YouTube videos with Vegas Pro15. I record the Videos in 4K with 2 Samsung Galaxy S9+.

I already set up the project settings and Program settings. (16 Renderthreads, GPU accelerations) and did not change any settings since then.

Everything worked fine until yesterday. During the editing of a video Vegas froze. And since then I have a lagging when I play the video in Vegas. Before yesterday I was able to view the video in Full resolution (optimal - Best) without any problems. But now I do have some lagging.

I ran a benchmark test because I thought something was wrong with the system but everything seems to be great.

I don't have a clue what to do.

Hope you guys can help me.

Cheers

Sean


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Francois Pénzes
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 14, 2018 at 11:48:03 pm

Hi Sean

Can you post a MediaInfo about your file ?

Cheers !

PC Win 10 Pro 64-bit 16gb Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz
Cameras: Canon XF305 + Canon XH-A1
Blackmagic HyperDeck Studio Mini
Vegas Pro 14, User since Vegas 3.0

''When the cutting stops, the editing begins...''


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Sean Dre
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 14, 2018 at 11:51:56 pm

Hey,

i am using mp4 Files. Thats what the galaxy s9plus Records. It worked fine until yesterday.


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Francois Pénzes
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 12:02:55 am

Hi Sean

The reason for me asking for post of MediaInfo of your file is that there may be something in the file data that will get some of us on track to finding a solution to your problem. Sometimes it is not that obvious. There could be something in there (your file) that is making it borderline compatible/readable.

PC Win 10 Pro 64-bit 16gb Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz
Cameras: Canon XF305 + Canon XH-A1
Blackmagic HyperDeck Studio Mini
Vegas Pro 14, User since Vegas 3.0

''When the cutting stops, the editing begins...''


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Sean Dre
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 12:08:12 am

Hi Francois,

what exact info do u need?

I am recording on a resolution of 3840x2160px in MP4 format.


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Francois Pénzes
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 12:23:19 am

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mediainfo/

PC Win 10 Pro 64-bit 16gb Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz
Cameras: Canon XF305 + Canon XH-A1
Blackmagic HyperDeck Studio Mini
Vegas Pro 14, User since Vegas 3.0

''When the cutting stops, the editing begins...''


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 5:46:03 am

OK, Sean, from the answers you’ve given, you need to be aware that not all MP4s are created equally. Saying it’s from a particular device would mean needing us to research and drilling down your through your device’s capture specs to get anywhere close in guessing just what’s INSIDE that MP4 of yours. So, there is this freeware s/w that can tell us just what you’ve got inside the MP4! I use it all the time when colleagues have CODEC issues. And THAT, CODEC issues, is at the crux of the matter here.

Get us that information and there are plenty of knowledgeable people waiting to assist.

Cheers,

G

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Sean Dre
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 9:44:09 am

Hey,

thanks for you help. I just used Mediainfo to get the informations. This is what i got

General
Complete name : F:\SoDenktEinMann\Videos Roh\Mann Juni 03\Mann Juni 2018 03 cam1\20180613_120807.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size : 2.03 GiB
Duration : 6 min 1 s
Overall bit rate : 48.3 Mb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2018-06-13 10:14:09
Tagged date : UTC 2018-06-13 10:14:09
xyz : +00.0000+000.0000/
com.android.version : 8.0.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 6 min 1 s
Source duration : 6 min 1 s
Bit rate : 48.0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 30.000 FPS
Minimum frame rate : 27.223 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 33.457 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.193
Stream size : 2.02 GiB (99%)
Source stream size : 2.02 GiB (99%)
Title : VideoHandle
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2018-06-13 10:14:09
Tagged date : UTC 2018-06-13 10:14:09
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : BT.601
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
mdhd_Duration : 361162

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 6 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 11.0 MiB (1%)
Title : SoundHandle
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2018-06-13 10:14:09
Tagged date : UTC 2018-06-13 10:14:09



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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 10:24:15 am

OK, here's what that shows:



Yup, looking like it's that CODEC indentifier: mp42 (isom/m .

And here's a discussion on it : https://video.stackexchange.com/questions/19120/how-to-open-mp4-container-v... too!

Cheers

G

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Francois Pénzes
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 7:37:27 pm

Just to add to Graham's comment, follow this Wiki link. It will give you the details on the inner workings of FFMpeg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFmpeg

Soon, you'll be a crack at making any files compatible. As a foot note, it helps to have all the vid files with the same frame rate, type, etc... especially when rendering.

Cheers !

PC Win 10 Pro 64-bit 16gb Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz
Cameras: Canon XF305 + Canon XH-A1
Blackmagic HyperDeck Studio Mini
Vegas Pro 14, User since Vegas 3.0

''When the cutting stops, the editing begins...''


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Sean Dre
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 15, 2018 at 11:37:52 pm

hmm ok let's say the format is the problem. why does the error appear from one second to the other? I was editing for 2 weeks without a problem. all with the same format.

I think if the problem is about the compatibility of a video format I should have not be able to edit without problems in the first place, no?


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas Lagging
on Jun 16, 2018 at 2:31:08 am
Last Edited By Graham Bernard on Jun 16, 2018 at 6:20:08 am

[Sean Dre] "I think if the problem is about the compatibility of a video format I should have not be able to edit without problems in the first place, no?"
You make a most logical argument. I have no answer as to why your issues get progressively worse.

Working with Vegas since 2002 and reading and experiencing the issues of CODEC “fit” by those with much wider and deeper understanding of the processes going on with regard to CODEC activity, than I, I’ve taken the pragmatic view that from capture/acquisition to import into Vegas for editing I would make as seemless and as non-traumatic as possible. When I’ve gone through the process of purchasing a new camera, either using CODECs for Tape or SD or CF I’ve pre-tested samples of the captured Media either on a Laptop standing in the camera shop, or back on my Edit deck in my Studio. My sole concern/requirement is getting the best editing experience allowing me to be creative and delivering that all important Narrative. I don’t need to understand “how” this complex CODEC works, I just require that it “does”, and in the least painful way as possible. After all, I don’t “know” just how the complexity of my cameras work, they just do.

Knowing that CODECs aren’t created equal, and that Camera manufacturers aren’t producing kit that exactly fits Vegas, they will and do make cameras that use the most Globally compliant CODECs as possible. Now, realistically, I’ve got two choices by testing prior to purchase either for the best “fit” or find the least painful way - pre/post-formatting - of getting my acquisition into my NLE or DAW. I’m just now remembering the head-banging issues I’d had with a nasty NOKIA Phone’s Video CODEC that drove me nuts! I’ve had issues with another Pen-type “FUN” Camera that needed interim reformatting to a standard AVI. Ugh....

I do hope some of my ramblings above make for help/solace for you. I do know that none of the companies owe me a living in getting to my narrative, but they will try and provide me with CODECs that are as nearest Globally compliant for me to use. Consequently, I do owe it to myself to reach for that Narrative in the best, simplest way.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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