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Treva Mello
Loop Region Problem
on Mar 17, 2018 at 6:50:31 pm

Hi guys.

Vegas always renders loop region bigger than it is, it adds about 00:00:00.01 in the beginning and in the end.
How can I fix that?
Is there a setting for it?
I googled but found nothing.
Thanks.


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Graham Bernard
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 12:02:52 pm

[Treva Mello] "Vegas always renders loop region bigger than it is, it adds about 00:00:00.01 in the beginning and in the end."
How do you know? Where are you seeing this incorrect length?

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 6:52:28 pm

The rendered file is bigger when I put it right below the original file and if I select it as a loop region, Vegas shows it's bigger.
If I zoom it in, I can see there's nothing at the beginning and end of the audio track and when I play it, there's black screen (nothing) in the beginning and in the end.
Of course it's a very tiny part but with a bunch of different files (scenes), those parts add space and get images and sounds out of sync.
I have to keep cutting those tiny parts = Hell.


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Graham Bernard
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 7:14:38 pm
Last Edited By Graham Bernard on Mar 18, 2018 at 7:15:18 pm

Please show us a screengrab.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 7:17:34 pm

Why?


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Graham Bernard
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 8:01:08 pm

Maybe there’s a visual clue that will tell me something.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 8:22:05 pm

So you never heard or had this problem before?


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Graham Bernard
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 8:23:19 pm

Nope.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 8:39:54 pm

Thanks my friend.


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 9:29:46 pm

This is a very long shot but is Quantize to Frames enabled?


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 9:34:10 pm

Hi Mike.
I think probably sometimes it was enabled and sometimes not.
Does it make a difference?
That could be the problem?
So should I let it enabled or not when rendering?

In my mind (a crazy mind for sure), no matter whatever settings Vegas has, if there's a loop region and I render it, it should render only that loop region.......................period.
Not?


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 9:42:00 pm

Treva, Quantize to Frames should always be enabled. This guarantees cutting on a video frame boundary. Grazie may have a better answer but my thinking is that if it isn't, rendering a loop region would render an entire frame instead of what is on your timeline.
Grazie, what are your thoughts?


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:08:47 pm

Ok.
So I'll render the same loop region with quantize on and off.
I'll tell the results.


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Graham Bernard
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:12:04 pm

[Mike Kujbida] "Treva, Quantize to Frames should always be enabled. "
Yup, that’ll do it.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:22:52 pm

It didn't work, I got the same results.

Loop Region

00:06:28.42 00:06:37.48 00:00:09.06

Rendered region

00:06:28.41 00:06:37.48 00:00:09.07

As you guys can see in my pic, first track is the original loop region and below is the rendered region, it's bigger in the beginning and in the end.



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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:29:56 pm

Let me add this always happened with Vegas 11, 12 and now with 13 no matter whatever output format I use to render.


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:40:33 pm

Now that you have QTF enabled, you need to go through each one and make sure it starts and ends on a frame boundary.
To do that, click near the beginning of an event and step back a frame at a time. If it doesn't line up then you'll have to drag the video event back until it does line up. Repeat this procedure at the end of the event.
Repeat for each problem event.
FYI, an event is what Vegas calls a clip.


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:53:11 pm

Mike with QF enabled, I selected all clips and moved them to a frame.
I rendered and again the same problem.
Rendered region is bigger no matter what.


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:54:04 pm

Mike with QF enabled, I selected all clips and moved them to a frame.
I rendered and again the same problem.
Rendered region is bigger no matter what.

As you can see in my numbers, the rendered region is bigger.
Vegas added that tiny part.


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 11:20:52 pm

You moved the beginning to a frame boundary but did you make sure it ended on a frame boundary? My guess is that it doesn't. Fix that and it should correct your problem.


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 11:28:48 pm

I started a new project.
QF on.
I added a 5s image and rendered it.
Rendered file has the same size.
I can only imagine I started my other project with QF off.

Thanks guys for trying to help ;)


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Graham Bernard
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:34:51 pm

Why can’t I see a Frame displayed of the First Frame of that Original Event? I can in the Rendered. Also, what’s that Project-Wide FX you’ve got applied?

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 10:51:03 pm

Like I said, the rendered region is BIGGER than the original region so the original region looks small than the rendered.


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 18, 2018 at 11:13:33 pm

I started a new project.
QF on.
I added a 5s image and rendered it.
Rendered file has the same size.
I can only imagine I started my other project with QF off.

Thanks guys for trying to help ;)


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 19, 2018 at 12:06:09 am

Hey mike one question.

Let's start a new project with QF on.
Then I add a song track.
Let's say the parts of that song don't match the frames of the project.
Example:
Let's say the chorus part ends between frames, my events have to end there too and the next part events should start there too but with QF on I won't be able to add events "outside" of frames.How does that work?

I hope I made myself clear.


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 19, 2018 at 12:27:06 am

Yes you did.
You can turn off QTF while you edit your audio as it's not subject to the same frame boundary rules as video is. I've done this a lot so no worries.
The easiest thing to do is find a blank place on the audio track where you can temove a fraction of a second without disrupting the song. If you cant do that, try a very quick overlap between the two segments.
Good luck.


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 19, 2018 at 12:34:52 am

Wait I'm lost.
I have to add events following song parts which obviously don't follow video frames, so if I turn QF off and add events following song parts (that's what I did), when I render I'll have the same problem cause song events are not following frames.But if I add them following frames, they will not match song parts.
WTH???!!!


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 19, 2018 at 12:36:35 am

Wait I'm lost.
I have to add events following song parts which obviously don't follow video frames, so if I turn QF off and add events following song parts (that's what I did), when I render I'll have the same problem cause song events are not following frames.But if I add them following frames, they will not match song parts.
WTH???!!!

So trying to understand what you said, I have to make song parts match my project frames stretching it, right?
That's crazy LOL


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 20, 2018 at 4:49:35 pm

Treva, now that I've had some time to think about your issue, here's another possible solution for you when your audio ends after a frame boundary.
Place your cursor at the end of the audio event, hold down the CTRL button and drag it back until it does line up at the frame boundary.
This will speed the audio event up but the difference is so small that you will never notice it.
This way you never have to turn off QTF.
Happy editing!


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Mar 21, 2018 at 12:12:30 am

That's what I said above, Mike.
Having to separate song parts then stretching them to match video frames is weird.
My projects are always this way, I make a song, add it to Vegas then create scenes for different parts.
It would be impossible with QF on cause audio doesn't follow video frames so that's why I always turned it off.
From now on I'll have to add a song, separate its parts and stretch them to match video frames then I'll create scenes.
Gee, it should be easier ;)


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Treva Mello
Re: Loop Region Problem
on Apr 13, 2018 at 7:09:47 am

How should I set my ruler format?

As I have to stretch my song to match the ruler, I thought I should set it to "seconds" because there would be minor stretches then to other formats but we were talking about frames so should I set it to Absolute frames/time & frames etc?


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