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Ned Cordery
Do Magix care?
on Apr 10, 2017 at 6:02:37 pm

I have used a variety of NLE software from Edit DV through Final Cut; a side visit to Avid and with Vegas Pro since v12. there is a new build, 244 for v14 and it is a secret that you may stumble upon! Magix have not made it easy to find and have not notified their user base.

Perhaps its me but why is the UHD "template" only 24 p? I shoot 30 p as US TV is a 30 p medium. Maybe I am missing something.

As the choices of non-subscription software have shrunk Vegas is our last hope. Do Magix care?

ned c


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Graham Bernard
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 10, 2017 at 6:54:21 pm

[Ned Cordery] "I shoot 30 p as US TV is a 30 p medium. "
Can't you make your own template?

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
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Ned Cordery
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 10, 2017 at 7:24:50 pm

Yes a "custom" template can be created for UHD but it is 29..97 fps. Are we still creating drop frame shots in Progressive scan?

ned c



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Graham Bernard
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 10, 2017 at 7:40:16 pm

[Ned Cordery] "Are we still creating drop frame shots in Progressive scan?"
I don't know what that means.

* Grazie

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Marco Baer
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 11, 2017 at 9:03:57 am

You didn't tell us which render codec you selected, e.g. when I select MainConcept AVC I can type 30 fps while using UHD frame size and then save this UHD 30p template.


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Ned Cordery
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 11, 2017 at 7:22:41 pm

This was not rendering but loading camera clips for an edit. However; some detailed research suggests that although we read 30 fps in our camera manuals and settings we are actually recording at 29.97 and this matches the "template" for UHD in Vegas.

Part 2 of my comments still apply; Magix are terrible communicators when it comes to informing their user base of new builds. See the volume of communication coming from Adobe and Avid.

Ned Cordery



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Marco Baer
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 11, 2017 at 9:02:20 pm

Same is for the project setting templates. For any frame size up to 4k you can set the fps to any value between 0,050 to 120,000 fps and save it as custom preset.

Updates are communicated via the "News" section of the official Vegas Creative Software forum. That's been made for build 244 and today for build 252. Also it is planned to get update information via the Vegas Pro help menu soon.


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Stephen Crye
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 14, 2017 at 10:23:48 pm

Marco, I paid for Vegas 14, but I can't for the life of me find the link to download the latest builds.

Is it possible to download the full build, or is it only distributed via the stubby 4 MB installer? I hate not having the full standalone installer, because my editing computer is not normally connected to the internet.

Thanks,

Steve

Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 12GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8


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Nick Hope
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 16, 2017 at 3:47:49 am

@Stephen Crye - I am maintaining a list of links to the standalone installers in section 2b of this. The latest update is http://dl04.magix.net/2016/VEGASPro14/update/VEGAS_Pro_14.0.0.252_update_Re....



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Stephen Crye
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 16, 2017 at 3:55:25 am

Wow, thanks Nick, this is VERY cool!!!

Cow is the best forum there is.

Steve

Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T7500, MultiTB SATA, 12GB RAM, nVidia Quadro 2000, Vegas 12, 11, 10, 9 DVDA 6.0 & 5.2(build 135) Sony HDR-CX550V, Panasonic GH3 with LUMIX G X VARIO 12-35mm / F2.8 ASPH, LUMIX G X VARIO 35-100mm / F2.8


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Mark Wilson
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 12, 2017 at 10:24:57 pm

Part 1 - lots and lots of templates for almost every deliverable format. Plus you can easily make your own as others have said.

Part2 - Have to disagree with you there. The latest builds are very minor updates that (usually) affect very few users. They are working on using the "net notify" feature of Vegas (and other ex Sony programs) but it appears to be a little inconsistent at present. In the meanwhile, if you have a problem that you think might be fixed by a recent build you just need to look in the NEWS tab of the Vegas (magix) forum

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/vegas-pro-forum/

Personally, I think Vegas and Magix communications are improving all the time. :)


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John Rofrano
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 14, 2017 at 7:46:58 pm

[Ned Cordery] "Yes a "custom" template can be created for UHD but it is 29..97 fps. Are we still creating drop frame shots in Progressive scan?"
The frame rate of 29.97 has nothing to do with Drop Frame vs Non-Drop Frame, nor does it have anything to do with Progressive vs Interlaced.

29.97 fps is the frame rate of NTSC color video. Drop frame and non-drop frame are two methods of keeping timecode. NTSC can use either drop frame or non-drop frame timecode. So regardless of whether you are counting timecode in drop frame or non-drop frame, the video is still running at 29.97 fps. The term "30p" comes from people being lazy and not wanting to accurately state 29.97p but that is the actual frame rate of what is referred to as "30p". Likewise "60p" is 59.94 fps (not 60.0). It's just easier to say but it's inaccurate.

~jr

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Ned Cordery
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 14, 2017 at 10:27:09 pm

Thanks for the explanation. I came here from PAL land and assume these odd frame rates are a remnant of some long past requirement. I am a happy user of Vegas Pro 14, but still feel they need to communicate directly with their users rather than on their forum. End of rant.

Thanks to all for the postings

Ned Cordery



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Scott Francis
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 19, 2017 at 12:05:25 pm

John, just for clarification, doesn't alot of computer video run at 30 or 60 fps to match the 60hz of electricity, or is refresh rate not the same as fps? I know with working with ATEM switchers, it is imperative that I have a computer or laptop that can match the 29.97 or 59.94 fps or my switcher will not recognize the signal.
Just want to make sure I am understanding this all clearly. Video does 29.97 & 59.94 fps, film is 23.98 and 24 fps, and pal is 25 or 50 fps. Not sure how computer video fits in there...

Thanks in advance.

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Do Magix care?
on Apr 20, 2017 at 11:36:51 am

Scott, You are correct that the refresh rate of computer displays is tied to the AC current frequency of 60Hz and the frame rate of televisions is also ties to this as well. That's why countries that have a wall current of 60Hz use 30fps while countries with a wall current of 50Hz use 25 fps (exactly half). They use a timing circuit that is synced to the electrical currents frequency. The problem of 29.97 came about when color TV was introduced. The additional color information was having phase problems with the audio signal so they offset the video by 0.03 fps to move them out of phase and restore picture quality. We've been stuck with this solution ever since.

Computer video has adopted the analog standard simple because it was the standard. There was no technical reason to propagate it except for the fact that, at the time, all computer video came from analog sources which were 29.97fps. Now that everything is digital it seems silly but here we are, with an analog "ball & chain" around our ankles until someone declares a new standard.

Judging from the fact that the transition to HD was the perfect opportunity to do away with interlacing and they couldn't even agree on that, I would guess that the standard will never change. The sad fact is that existing body of work is keeping us from moving forward.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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