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Scott Francis
Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 29, 2016 at 6:44:01 pm

Hey All,

So I am working with several projects in SVP 13 and also in MVP 14, my overall impression....
MVP 14 is pretty much what we expect from Sony since version like 11, major bugs, slow playback, issues with lag, crashes, yada, yada, yada.....
I am having mixed results with file types, seems MOV/Pro Res are MUCH better, everything else is ehhh. I am not happy with the upgrade, version 13 and older VEG files may or may not open, if I have Sony FX on anything, it says they are not available (border, color correction, etc). MAJOR interlacing issues using a current SVP13 vs MVP14 file (meaning opening a 13 project in 14).

I pray they get some decent fixes in SOON to release updates, or I am likely staying with SVP13 and moving onto another editor. Just can't handle some of the issue Vegas has had for years and still has....

What is your take everyone?

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Francois Blawat
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 29, 2016 at 7:53:34 pm

From My Point of View,

I believe that VP14 was already "almost" completed by SCS before they sold it to MAGIX. I really doubt that MAGIX would have released something this quick if the product was not already mostly completed. There were other users who commented that they saw websites with info on VP14 way ahead of any "official" notice from SCS early this year I believe.

From the latest complaints on the MAGIX forum regarding the upgrade pricing and lack of offers to current users, a lot are saying they are not updating.

- - - - -
FixitMad


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Scott Francis
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 29, 2016 at 8:03:17 pm

That was my assumption as well. It really isn't much of an "upgrade" and has bug and annoyances.
I did upgrade, but need Pro Res and that is worth it for now. Too many big projects to learn a new NLE, but I will likely be moving on.

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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George Dean
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 29, 2016 at 9:03:55 pm

When I purchase products I value the resource (company) as much as the product. I haven't ever found a perfect company with a perfect product, but there are reputations and minimal business practices which I consider. So what is my opinion of Magix and Vegas Pro 14.......

- Read Only native support is nice for ProRes, but most of my source is in DNxHD and that still requires the 32-bit QuickTime.
- Any bug fix provided is on the original version developer, so when Magix rebranded and issued updates to VP v13, they bought those bugs and they should be fixed as an update and not considered a part of the upgrade value.
- When Magix bundles 3rd party software/apps they need to work, some do not.
- 3rd party bundled apps which are already commonly used in previous versions offer little value to those upgrading from previous versions (namely Mercalli).
- Additional software bundled such as DVD Architect v6 relabeled as v7 (rebranding) with no changes other than taking away the ac3 pro is a downgrade and absolute insult to the product line and users, which may bridge on being a scam.
- During the little testing of the trial v14, I didn't have any crashes (outside of NewBlue), but did have many error messages when exiting the program, which may be an indicator what I have tested just isn't enough yet to stress the program and truly test the claimed stability improvements.
- Changing the icons to B&W making them harder to read and recognize was really something I would expect from the development team with no interest in using the product for production. It is clear they had no input from professionals as to how this was an improvement.
- Magix did little to nothing for 3rd party app developers or script writers.
- Magix did little to nothing for 3rd party support websites, educators, or those providing tutorials as had previously supported Sony products with an affiliated program.
- Magix completely fumbled the notification of users by email and have yet (over three months now) corrected that situation and have only feeble excuses.
- Magix completely failed, by misleading the community, with an upgrade purchase price policy which has overwhelmingly alienated the user base.
- Magix ported a well known and accepted website, from clean and efficient, to something created by a third tier developer and have yet to clean it up with common features acceptable to the forum user community.
- Magix has ignored direct questions from supporters to the point many have bailed with disappointment.
- Magix has created a spider web of various links and pages which are confusing to most who attempt to get support and pricing information.
- Magix has been terrible at responding to support email, tickets, and phone calls.
- A better deal for new users than they offer to their current user base and then question their loyalty was a slap in the face that became the final straw for me.

That's not all of it, but enough time spent for now. I was one of those users who embraced the Magix purchase and held confidence in their ability to provide a splendid product with reputable business conduct. In my opinion they have failed overwhelmingly. I'm disappointed and disenchanted. I will not purchase v14 and doubt there is anything Magix can do to bring me back. It's a disgusting development. When I heard Magix purchased Vegas, I thought very well, no one could mess it up worse than Sony......it appears I was wrong!

If Magix can correct their mistakes they have an opportunity to capture back some lost user base, I wish they well, from the stand point I now couldn't care less. I'll keep my v13 and I'm off to Resolve.

Best Regards.......George


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Mark Barton
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 29, 2016 at 8:11:44 pm

I upgraded for $199 more for the hope that another version of Vegas Pro will come out. It is sad to think of all the hours of of development to address the legal issues with the name space for scripting and FXs that could have been used to enhance the product. I'm able to use VP14 although I have to change the way I do most things until the VASST FASST apps are updated. In the meantime, I'm using Vegasaur 3.0 much more than the previous version as it seems to be handling many of my uses for the FASST apps and Production Assistant 2, I had purchased first. I also like having the native ProRes support since Quicktime on Windows is not supported.

My main pain points currently with VP14 ate:

NewBlue Titler Pro 4 QuickEdit mode does not return to the timeline and I have to quit VP14. When I go back into VP14, my title is there as expected. I have no problem with Boris Red 5.5 as I just used that for motion tracking last night.

When I quit out of VP14, I notice in Task Manager that vegas140.exe is still running and sometimes multiple copies (Vegasaur Transcoder). If I see strange VP14 behavior, I exit and then terminate all those processes before relaunching again (or just reboot).


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László Kovács
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 30, 2016 at 6:11:43 am

I have mixed feelings with Vegas 14 and DVDA, but I am more positive, than negative.
I planned to upgrade to VP13 this year later, for the reason it has GPU support. The Magix deal just brought it sooner, the "deal" price (for what I get V14 for free later) I had to pay, was very close, or equal to the upgrade price I would have paid for SONY to upgrade my V10. So I took it, and invested in a cheap, yet capable video card.
I was completely disappointed with Vegas 13, because the set of bugs it had made impossible to work with it as I used to with Vegas 10. Disabling GPU solved all these problems, but with disabled GPU I see no improvement at all over Vegas 10.
Fortunately, in Vegas14 those bugs that hurted me so much are now fixed.
And I really appreciate it! Vegas 14 currently is a usable, useful tool for me.
Of course I don't like the new bugs introduced in V14, like the problems with .mxf and .m2t files - these bugs don't hurt me now, but may do in the future, and I expect Magix to fix them.
I don't like that AC3 pro encoder is completely ripped off.
Before, it was part of the DVDA, and after installing DVDA it got available in Vegas too. Now this is not the case with DVDA7.0 and V14.
(Currently I can workaround: render audio to wav, then render wav to ac3 pro in vegas 10 or 13 - but I need to have installed previous, otherwise useless versions for that.)
I don't really like the supports response time, which is about a week or so.
I don't really like how V14 looks with this new flat gray icon set, V13 looked much better I think.
There's definitely many room for improvement in both the product, and the support.

Best regards

László Kovács


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 30, 2016 at 2:58:58 pm

Many room for improvements are still needed. I am still pleased with the direction Magix is taking Vegas, but
now that Vegas 14 is released, its very much clear that their are many, many more work needs to be done,
And i am confident they are gonna get it right, when they cross this early Vegas acquired stage.
Unlike Sony, Magix listens to its user base..... They also need to get on top of their game with communication
and interacting with third party software developers, so Vegas scripts, Extensions and plugins developers can
have everything ready for Vegas at any given time.

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
Samples of my Work and Company can be seen here:
http://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia


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John Norton
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Sep 30, 2016 at 4:23:15 pm

Magix 14 ...

My 2 cents ...

Pros ..
1. Very generous offer, I paid €199 last summer, and went from SVP EDIT version to Magix Vegas PRO version (Mercalli very nice bonus) plus ver. 13 that I didn't need.
2. New users can now get, until the 16th-October, Magix Vegas PRO version for €249, no previous version needed.
3. Some new features, HEVC, PRO-Res, Smart up-sampling, (Smart-zoom? maybe).
4. Keeping layout UI similar to old, so for now no big change, (black icons, yuck).
5. No interference with existing ver 13, can be run on same PC as ver 14.
6. Vegas Pro is still alive, at least continued development is assured.
7. More devices/codecs supported.
8. Bug fixes.
9. Still allows install on 2 machines, as long as only using one at any one time.
10. Very good tutorials available.
11. Same development team I understand, thats good for sure.

Cons ..
1. Graphic card support still 2010 era, my biggest disappointment by far.
2. Black icons are hard to differentiate from each other when they're small on a high res. monitor. Maybe give users the option to change, or just go back to previous.
3. NewBlue Titler bundled with MVP 14 is buggy, v/poor or maybe non existing testing with MVP14 prior to launch.
4. Some new bugs.
5. Some may disagree with this but perhaps the project file extension should have been changed. Double-clicking on a .veg project file loads ver 13, maybe not what's desired. After all, ver. 14 projects are not compatible with ver. 13, and thats ok, but, a different extension would allow seeing at a glance which was created with which version, going forward.
6. Previously the full program was downloaded first, then you would run and install in one go. I don't know where the full program is kept, just the stub downloader, maybe this is to prevent bootlegging?
7. Communication in general leaves something to be desired.
8. Is their a .pdf manual available for version 14? If so where is it? If not, why not?


Anyway, I'm delighted that the show is on the road again, best of luck to all, developers and users ...


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Antonio Souto
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 1, 2016 at 7:31:04 am

In the beginning I was linking this new version. It is not a huge departure from VP13, but it adds some nice functionalities. However, I just noticed that VP14 produces interlaced-like results when I render a project with images captured with my Canon 60D. I have tried everything but interlaced-like lines keep on showing up. The same files in VP13 produce pristine results.


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Scott Francis
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 1, 2016 at 2:46:07 pm

I noticed something similar with footage from my Atomos Ninja 2. Hope they fix it soon!!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Antonio Souto
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 1, 2016 at 3:52:54 pm

Good to know it, Xavier. Well, at least, no such interlaced problem when using 4k material from my other camera, a GH4. Probably 1080p files from the GH4 will also work fine.


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Scott Francis
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 1, 2016 at 4:56:02 pm

Good to know, I use a GH4 as well, among other cams. Canon G10 and G30's progressive stuff has been fine.

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Peter Holt
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 1, 2016 at 6:18:20 pm

"just the stub downloader, maybe this is to prevent bootlegging?"

That is the usual reason. Very irritating.

Usually there is a tmp file stored somewhere and then deleted, but you need to be running some utility which monitors the installation process.

Anyway this doesn't really matter because I am sure Vegas checks online for a valid license, periodically if not every time it runs. MSP11 used to do that; I found that out when I gave an old PC with it to my son. He started up MSP and terminated my license :) I sorted it out eventually over the MSP online chat support facility.

Normally I would never use a program which does this, because such a program will one day stop running because the validation server has been terminated. I had that happen with a $20,000 FPGA design package some years ago. Adobe got a massive hassle with CS2 and CS3 when they killed their validation servers for these versions (basically this prevented the app being transferred to a new PC after the previous one packed up) so they put a serial number for CS2 on their website for the whole world to use ;)

But we don't have a choice. I am sure all video editor vendors do this now.


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George Dean
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 1, 2016 at 11:15:27 pm

@John Norton and @Peter Holt

I found the V14 download in my user folder My Documents > MAGIX Downloads > Installationmanager

Please let me know if this helps, Thank You....


Best Regards......GEorge


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John Norton
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 2, 2016 at 11:51:09 pm

Nice one George! Thanks.

I took the opportunity to reinstall and register "again" the NewBlue titler, it had crashed and failed to register previously. An update was available, 160824 goes to 160926, so I installed it.

Dropped it in and no crash! Guess I'll have to learn how to use it now, LOL.


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Angelo Mike
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 4, 2016 at 3:59:37 pm

I upgraded to the pro suite, and I'm really glad I got Boris Continuum Complete (the chroma key plugins are such a vast improvement over Vegas' built in ones) and some other plugins I've yet to try out. I'm lucky I haven't dealt with any bugs yet. Though having the icons in black and white makes NO sense and feels like something out of an early 1990s computer program.


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Steve Kauzlarich
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 4, 2016 at 8:27:56 pm

As I understand it, Magix bought several applications from Sony. I figure they were trying to get V14 out fast so as to not lose anymore Vegas fans to other applications. But they probably set the release time too soon given the work and testing that needed to be done.

I've been a Vegas user since V2, and as an editor, I have patience (as we all do). So after only a couple of weeks since release, I'm not sweating things. After all, Magix didn't spend all this money to screw things up. So sit tight for now and I'm sure the bugs will be fixed and the new features that we requested will show up.

Steve Kauzlarich


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Ron Whitaker
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 5, 2016 at 10:34:43 pm

And there's the rub, Steve.

With Vegas (no matter who owns it), it's always the "next release."

"Yep, next release, they'll get it right." It amazes me how many keep holding on to that fantasy.

How many years has that been the Vegas mantra?

As for me, I'm done with Vegas and am moving on to Edius (AWESOME NLE, by the way!).

No more "next release" charades for me.


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László Kovács
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 6, 2016 at 8:43:36 am

Hi Ron,

Good luck with Edius! Indeed, it is an awesome editor.
But it's a different priced product.
Sure is, when I started up as a videographer, that time I considered more options.
Edius would have cost the double I paid for Vegas pro, and it is an editor only. Vegas covered my complete workflow from importing media, editing, and dvd authoring.
I don't know how the prices compare today, but I stick with Vegas until I can.
If I ever leave it, it will be something for which is not tied to windows (nor mac).

Best regards

László Kovács


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Ron Whitaker
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 6, 2016 at 5:31:00 pm

Laszlo:

Vegas covered my complete workflow from importing media, editing, and dvd authoring.

I don't know what version of Edius you used, but in the latest (8.22) Edius does all the above, and then some: importing media, 4k, editing, dvd authoring. Done!

I'm glad I made the switch. I simply didn't have any more patience to play the "next release" Vegas game.


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Ron Whitaker
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 6, 2016 at 6:04:34 pm

Oh, and as far as price for Edius, I found it here on BH Photo for $474, cheaper than Vegas' $599.


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Scott Francis
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 6, 2016 at 10:45:47 pm

Are there many outside FX companies that write their software for Edius?
NewBlueFX, Boris, etc?

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Ron Whitaker
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 6, 2016 at 11:04:41 pm

There are a few, actually.

Check out the list here.


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László Kovács
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 7, 2016 at 7:37:35 am

Hi,

I never really used Edius, just tried it. That time It was 5.0 I think.
[Ron Whitaker] "Oh, and as far as price for Edius, I found it here on BH Photo for $474, cheaper than Vegas' $599."
That's at least comparable for those who don't have anything bought yet ?

[Ron Whitaker] "in the latest (8.22) Edius does all the above, and then some: importing media, 4k, editing, dvd authoring. Done!"

So you say, Edius can now prepare DVD (Bluray?) with menus, multiple angles, audio tracks on a disc?
That is really competitive :)

Best regards

László Kovács


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Don Cobble
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 7, 2016 at 9:56:17 pm

I am a Edius WG 8.22 Pro user as well as a Vegas user since vesion 4. Edius was my "fall back to" program if Vegas did not rise to the occasion. I have become proficient Edius user, it is staggering what it can do (codecs and processing, rendering smokes!), but, Awkward in how it does it. Like learning to drive in UK, steering wheel on other side, other side of the road ect.
I started with Edius pro 6, WG Pro 8 is much better. New Blue FX stuff, Boris, and Hitfilm plugins work in Edius WG8. The difference in Work Group Pro 8 and Pro 8 primarily is, you have to be on internet regularly to check in to keep "Pro 8" working, a parole officer version, but just a one time pmt. WG Pro 8 on the other hand is paid, you own it, activate done deal.

I am still a Vegas fan and HOPE they get it together, I can work on Vegas blindfolded (so to speak).
But I am continuing to learn driving on the other side of the road with Edius rather than "just" waiting to see, if Magix raises Vegas up. I did invest in the upgrade, just as a "risky investment' and I still use SVP13 and now MVP14, in case.

Magix support, is bottom of the barrel at this time contacting them is entering "the Black Hole" (hope that changes)
Edius support is decent a little slow on critical support, not the best out there, but, they do get back to you.
Boris support is great!
New Blue support is very good!
Red Giant is great also!

PC 1
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SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
GeForce GTX 960

PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
3-4 TB HD
Win 10 Pro 64bit OS
XFX Radeon R9 290


IMAC Retina 5K 27in
4.Ghz i7 32gb Ram
AMD R9 M395X 4Mb
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SVP 13 & MVP14 - Adobe Production Premium CS6 - Edius WG Pro 8 - Sony Catalyst Production Suite - FCPX - DaVinchi Resolve 12.5

Camera
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Craig Meeks
Re: Overall feelings on MVP 14, please give me yours
on Oct 8, 2016 at 2:52:01 am

Considering the amount of time Magix had to put out "their" next version, I am super happy. What did everyone expect? Absolutely everything fixed and every feature added already? That's crazy.

For me, I purchased MVP 14 WITH the suite and I couldn't be happier. I already can't wait to see what they do with 15. Keep up the good work!

Craig Meeks
http://www.bluefortressmedia.com


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