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László Kovács
Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 8:55:43 am

Hi,

Until now I used Vegas pro 10. In some projects I used the "2D glow" option with blur set o 0 to draw a thin border around the image. This was for me a convenient way to draw borders. The border effect is not good, because I often need this for cropped images (like in the example below), which aspect is far from the projects 16:9 ratio.

Now I upgraded to VP13, and this does not work, looks and behaves weird.
I opened an older project done in VP10, and here's a snapshot, how it should look:

The exact same in VP13:


And when I play back the timeline, jumping blocks of residues of the images are on the screen.
Is there another convenient way to draw a frame, which would even move the image, if I animate it?
Thanks in advance
Kind regards


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László Kovács
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 9:23:27 am

Oh, and it's on the render too.
With Vegas 10:




And with Vegas 13:





:(((


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Marco Baer
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 9:33:23 am

Did you try turning GPU support off in "Options/Preferences/Video"?


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László Kovács
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 10:14:42 am

[Marco Baer] "Did you try turning GPU support off in "Options/Preferences/Video"?"

No, I didn't. Now I tried.
You saved my life, friend!
Thank you! Thank you very much!
By turning off GPU support, Vegas started to work normally. So the bug is in the GPU support.

Now I can finish my project this week, so I can keep my head :)
...but I'm still unhappy.
The point of upgrading to VP13 (beside that I'll get VP14 for free from Magix) was to start using openCL.
Now it seems that I was wrong...


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 10:16:21 am

Great!

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Marco Baer
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 10:42:06 am

If problems like this could be sorted out by turning off GPU boost, it often is due to the grafic driver. Sometimes updating the grafic driver helps. Sometimes even downgrading the driver to an earlier version helps. Sometimes only turning GPU off helps.


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László Kovács
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 11:04:10 am

Thanks. Can you test please, if you have 5 minutes, if you have this problem with GPU support enabled?
Just put something on the timeline, crop a bit, use track motion to reduce size and place it, then put a thin border around with "2D glow" blur set to 0, and move it on the screen.
On my machines these simple steps reproduce the problem.
If it works as it should, could you please tell me what GPU with what drivers you have?

Kind regards


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 11:08:52 am

[László Kovács] "Can you test please, if you have 5 minutes, if you have this problem with GPU support enabled?"
László, post the veg here, people could test it easily. I don't need any media.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 11:19:46 am

Yup, reproed. Conclusive.

GPU ON:



GPU OFF:



* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 11:27:15 am

Here's another solution with GPU ON:



This works using SONY Border FX.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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László Kovács
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 12:32:12 pm

Thanks for all your support!
That means I'm not alone, and the problem is not only in "my device".

Here's a veg, so anyone can test easily:
10372_2dglowzeroblurtest.veg.zip

Unfortunately Sony border FX does work only for images with a matching aspect ratio to the project aspect, and that's rarely the case :(
Otherwise empty, transparent areas appear between the image and the border.

Best regards


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Marco Baer
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 12:56:45 pm

Yes, I can repro here, too, with Intel HD Graphics 520.


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Graham Bernard
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 9:28:27 am

It appears to me you have some Pre- Post- wrangling going on with those FXs.

Can you supply details of your Pan?crop for the underlying "windows" Graphics. I agree, something is misbehaving. I'm not sure having a convenient alternative as you asked for will be a solution.

* Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX50HS Bridge


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László Kovács
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 10:05:09 am

Hi, thanks for your input.
There are no special effects used, only few that came with Vegas.
All objects are on different tracks. (Lady full screen, lady talking in small, the presentation itself, and the graphic.)
The most below layer is a color gradient. The topmost containing the lady talking full screen, full_HD AVC, recorded with my JVC HM600. Only a color curve is assigned as FX.
The presentation in the middle layer is exported from a ppt, for which I used the Lagarith losless codec (resolution 1440*1080 (aspect 4:3)). There's no crop, just placed it via track motion. The lady talking "in small" is cropped via pan&crop to 1:1, then placed via trackmotion.
The picture below the lady is just a png, a bit cropped via pan&crop, but with no "stretch to fill" and placed via track motion.
The machine Vegas is running on is irrelevant. I encountered this thing first on my desktop (i5-3570 / NVidia 9600GT / 8GB RAM), and blamed my ancient video card, but checked on my notebook, and is present there too (Lenovo Z51-70 - i5 5200 / AMD Ati R9-M375 / 8 GB RAM).
The common points are Windows 7 64 bit and 8GB of RAM. None of them I could blame...

This is painful for me now. I started a new project with my new VP13, did a lots of edit, and I can't finish it.
The problem is not with this already done project, I just took it for demonstrate the bug.
This is here in VP10 format, and I can open it, and edit if I'd need, and render of course.
But the new project is only available in VP13, as I started with it.
:(
Already tried to play with dynamic ram preview (increased, decreased), did not help.


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Eric Dettman
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 3, 2016 at 8:16:53 pm

In project properties, do you have full-resolution rendering quality set to good or best. If it is set to best, try setting it to good. This will resolve the issue if it is due to bicubic scaling w/integration talking place.

MAGIX see.feel.hear.create


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László Kovács
Re: Vegas pro 13 - track glow bad (buggy) behavior
on Aug 4, 2016 at 5:11:24 am

Hi Eric,

Good to see someone here from Magix ;)

I tried the setting you mentioned. Unfortunately does not help.
It was set to best, I set it to good. Nothing changed regarding this phenomenon.

Kind regards


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