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Cameron Hird
Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 29, 2015 at 7:45:46 am

Hi there.

I have around 60 hours of DV tape I want to transpose onto a HDD in uncompressed form ready for editing through the Sony Vegas platform. I tried this back in 2007 and managed to get some way, but life got in the way and i need to start all over again....

Different PC with Windows 10 and without any version of Sony Vegas installed yet.

I understand you need around 500GB for 38hours of uncompressed video, so I figure I may as well have a spare 1TB HDD in readiness for this capture.

Should this HDD be an external HDD or internal HDD?

Ideally, it would be a SSD in 1TB, but still god damn expensive unfortunately.

Should I install Sony Vegas on my main Op drive or have Sony Vegas on the same drive as to where I am placing the copied DV tape footage?

How much space do I need for encoding and rendering?

Where shovel this rendering take place, etc?


Cameron


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John Rofrano
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 29, 2015 at 8:29:09 pm

[Cameron Hird] "I understand you need around 500GB for 38hours of uncompressed video, so I figure I may as well have a spare 1TB HDD in readiness for this capture."
I don't know where you are getting you numbers from but 1 hour of uncompressed NTSC 8bit YUV video is 76.5 GB. That puts 38 hours of uncompressed video at 2.9 TB.

I don't think you want to work with uncompressed video, and based on your numbers, I believe you incorrectly think that DV video us uncompressed but it is not. DV video is compressed by the camera using the DV25 codec. It consumes approximately 14 GB per hour with 2 channel audio so 38 hours of NTSC DV video is 532 GB which is close to your number. So your 532 GB is for DV video, not uncompressed video and there is no advantage to working with uncompressed video because your camera has already compressed it to DV.
[Cameron Hird] "Should this HDD be an external HDD or internal HDD?"
Internal is always best but I edit HD video on external 1TB USB 3.0 drives all the time so SD should be just fine using an external USB 3.0 drive. I would not use USB 2. You can also use eSATA connected external dives.
[Cameron Hird] "Should I install Sony Vegas on my main Op drive or have Sony Vegas on the same drive as to where I am placing the copied DV tape footage?"
You should install your applications like Vegas Pro on your Windows C: drive and all data should be on a separate drive.
[Cameron Hird] "How much space do I need for encoding and rendering?"
That depends on what format you plan to render to (you didn't say). If you are making DVD's and rendering to MPEG2 then you will need at least twice the space of the DVD image (4.7GB) but you should never fill your drives up over 80% full so plan on needing much more space than that.
[Cameron Hird] "Where shovel this rendering take place, etc?"
Drives are so fast these days that you can render back to the drive that contains your media. In fact, I create a single folder for each project and under that are folders for video, music, images, renders, etc. so my renders and everything are all in my project folder where everything can easily be archived.

Unless you are editing multiple camera angles at once, it would be extremely rare that file I/O was the bottleneck in an DV/HD project render so you should be fine with one drive for video data and renders.

~jr

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Cameron Hird
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 29, 2015 at 9:32:03 pm

WOW - thanks for the detailed response John.

What brand external drive is recommended for the edit drive?

Can I ask why you choose to edit your work on an external drive (and not internal)?



Cameron


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John Rofrano
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04:46 pm

[Cameron Hird] "What brand external drive is recommended for the edit drive?"
Some people buy expensive G-Drives from G-Tech and they are good (...did I mention they are expensive?) However, I stock up on Western Digital My Passport 1TB USB 3.0 drives when they are on sale for $59 at NewEgg.com (which is about once a month). I buy the Mac version because I edit on a Mac but the PC versions are the same drive just formatter differently. I really don't see any performance difference between those and the G-Drives (I've used both).

My external drives get archived to my 9 TB Raid 5 (4 x 3 TB WD NAS RED drives) just in case one goes bad. You always want to have a backup of a portable drive because they are more likely to be dropped or fail from too much movement. Even if you just buy a second one to back up to.
[Cameron Hird] "Can I ask why you choose to edit your work on an external drive (and not internal)?"
Sure, I edit on both my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. Usually laptop SSD storage is constrained so it made sense to use external drives. This way I can move the drive from my laptop to my desktop and just keep editing. If you only have one computer you don't have this problem. If you have a laptop you still might have internal storage constraints.

Before USB 3.0, I use to have a project drive that was internal and I would have the few projects that I was working on, on that drive to edit. When the project was done, I would copy it to an external drive and delete it to make room for the next project. That's not a bad way of working either. It's just easier for me to keep my projects on external drives when I'm moving between computers every day.

So I'm not recommending that you SHOULD edit on external drives, but rather that you COULD edit on external drives without any issues as long as they are USB 3.0 or faster. If you only have one computer and you have room for an internal video drive then by all means use that approach.

~jr

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Cameron Hird
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:38:45 pm

Thanks John

Do you use Sony Vegas on your Mac?

If so, how? As I thought Sony Vegas was only compatible for Windows PC?


Cameron


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John Rofrano
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 30, 2015 at 3:12:16 pm

[Cameron Hird] "Do you use Sony Vegas on your Mac?"
Yes, I have Sony Vegas Pro running in a VMware Fusion virtual machine on my Mac. So Windows 7 is really running Vegas Pro under the covers. I also edit with Apple Final Cut Pro X.

Here is what Vegas Pro looks like running in Unity mode on my Mac Desktop:



~jr

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Cameron Hird
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 30, 2015 at 7:47:22 pm

WOW thanks John.

Why and how do you edit with different sw applications?


Cameron


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John Rofrano
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Aug 30, 2015 at 8:14:14 pm

[Cameron Hird] "Why and how do you edit with different sw applications?"
I used a Windows PC for 30+ years and I've been editing with Vegas Pro for 13+ years. I moved to the Mac a few years ago for reasons other than video editing. This prompted me to look for Mac replacements for all of my PC applications. That's when I learned Final Cut Pro X and I really enjoy editing with it's magnetic timeline and tight integration with Apple Motion (which is like After Effects). I still use Vegas Pro for photo montage projects because it's better at that with my VASST Photo Montage plug-in. Vegas Pro is also better at heavy audio based projects, but I pretty much use Final Cut Pro X now for all new projects. I have my eye on Sony Catalyst Edit which runs on a Mac but it's not mature enough to use yet. Since I don't use Vegas Pro very often these days, running it in VMware is a practical solution for me. So it's a bit of "one foot in the old and one foot in the new" with me.

~jr

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John Rofrano
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Sep 6, 2015 at 11:57:01 pm

Hi Cameron,

Since we discussed using external drives... NewEgg.com is having a great sale. I just picked up 2 x WD My Passport Ultra 2TB USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drives for $83 USD each. As I said I usually wait until the 1TB's go on sale for $59 but 2TB for $83 is an exceptional price so I picked up 2. You might want to pick one up while the Labor Day sale is on. ;-)

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Cameron Hird
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Sep 14, 2015 at 6:22:57 pm

Hi John,

Thanks for this.

Based on your earlier recommendation, i went to the local shop and bought exactly that - 1 x Passport Ultra 2TB USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive.

Now, i need to start using it :-)

looks pretty neat and compact.

I bought the Windows configured version and ask if I can use this on my iMac to copy files across as back up only?


Cameron


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John Rofrano
Re: Setting Up Hard Drive for Sony Vegas
on Sep 15, 2015 at 12:24:33 am

[Cameron Hird] "I bought the Windows configured version and ask if I can use this on my iMac to copy files across as back up only?"
Your iMac will be able to read the drive but it might not be able to copy to it if the drive is formatted for NTFS. You can add a driver to your Mac to enable this but it doesn't write to NTFS by default. You would need to use the exFAT filesystem for the drive to be able to read and write by both Windows and OS X without additional software. I use Paragon NTFS for Mac to write to NTFS Windows drives from my Mac. It works great.

~jr

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