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Nick McMahon
Offline editing
on Feb 4, 2015 at 3:58:38 pm

Anyone out there please share your experience with the pros and cons of offline editing Hi res (even 4K) using SD proxy files to ensure a smooth workflow when your are using a lower spec hardware system.

John... perhaps you could suggest an ideal Mac Pro solution for offline that would still allow an upgrade in he future to convert to online editing in native res....?

cheers,

Nick... BASE1268

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John Rofrano
Re: Offline editing
on Feb 5, 2015 at 2:49:42 pm

[Nick McMahon] "Anyone out there please share your experience with the pros and cons of offline editing Hi res (even 4K) using SD proxy files to ensure a smooth workflow when your are using a lower spec hardware system."
Vegas Pro 13.0 has a proxy workflow. You can tell it to make proxy files and then when your preview windows is in Draft or Preview mode it uses the proxies and when it's in Good or Best mode it uses the original media. Since most people use Good or Best for rendering, it will automatically use the original media for renders.
[Nick McMahon] "John... perhaps you could suggest an ideal Mac Pro solution for offline that would still allow an upgrade in he future to convert to online editing in native res....?"
Final Cut Pro X also has a proxy solution and you can tell it when to use the proxies and when to use the original media. It's all built-in. You can also use Optimized Media which plays back very smoothly. Finally, FCP X has dynamic background rendering so it will smooth out the editing process even when editing native footage by optimizing transitions and FX processing.

~jr

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Nick McMahon
Re: Offline editing
on Feb 5, 2015 at 3:46:58 pm

Thanks John... do I get a sense that you're suggesting I'd probably be better with FCPX...?

so here is my idea for Hardware.

The budget I'm currently working with means I can get this combo I've come up with and offline edit for now if the system struggles with 4k but means I can also buy the 4k monitor I'd like to get straight away

2010 Mac Pro 5,1
1x 6 core 3.33GHz
24 gb DDR3 RAM @ 1333mhz
1x ATI R9 280X GPU 3GB
1x 2TB HDD

Total price £1150 ($1725)


then down the track I can add in:

1x 120 gb PCI flash with partition for OS and Vegas/project media £ 178 ($268)
3x 1TB WD HDD's with software RAID 5 for DATA £150 approx ($225)

The 6 core is upgradeable at some point if I swap out the tray for a dual and then use 2 x 6 cores.

Oh... and as per my other thread suggesting I'd looked at the AMD FirePro... they are only PC configured so gone with the R9 280x

Nick... BASE1268

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John Rofrano
Re: Offline editing
on Feb 6, 2015 at 2:23:04 am

[Nick McMahon] "The 6 core is upgradeable at some point if I swap out the tray for a dual and then use 2 x 6 cores."
Have you looked at the price of that upgrade? The tray with dual processors is almost as much has your entire computer (about $1500 USD). Yet you can get dual processors NOW for only a few hundred dollars more! I would go with the 12-Core now because it's going to cost a lot more to upgrade later. Just be sure you've figured this whole upgrade path out first.

~jr

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Nick McMahon
Re: Offline editing
on Feb 9, 2015 at 1:29:59 am

Hey John... yes indeed you are absolutely right, converting a single to a dual is not the most efficient way to go, however, getting a dual quad core 5,1 and then upgrading with a pair of 6 core processors is doable and a third of the cost of swapping out the single core tray.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Mac-Pro-5-1-A1289-2-x-Quad-Xeon-2-4GHz-32GB...

That said you need the nerves and hands of a surgeon to perform the changeover.... I watched a guy film himself do it for the first time and it really does look like a challenge... and challenges I like... but... I've also found someone here in the UK that does exactly that as a business and has performed this surgery over 100 times with total success. He would be happy to do it for me if I chicken out.

So... for now I'm gonna chase one of these 8 core machines at the right price (£1000 would be a good deal) and settle into using it and maybe experiment with the power of the right GPU combo happy in the knowledge that if I reach the point where I need 12 cores because the software I'm using can use all 12 then I can swap out the dual 4 core chips for 2 x 6 core.

This website I'm sure you've read up on being a Mac Pro owner and I found very enlightening :
http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-MacProWestmere-CoresExplained.html

Nick... BASE1268

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John Rofrano
Re: Offline editing
on Feb 9, 2015 at 1:46:14 pm

[Nick McMahon] "getting a dual quad core 5,1 and then upgrading with a pair of 6 core processors is doable and a third of the cost of swapping out the single core tray."
Yes, that makes more sense. You are just swapping CPU's at that point and not entire trays which are expensive.
[Nick McMahon] "That said you need the nerves and hands of a surgeon to perform the changeover"
It depends on your comfort level with working inside your computer. It is actually much easier to change the CPU on a Mac than a PC. You just need to be careful when handling the CPU and applying the thermal paste. It's good you have someone who can do it for you if you decide not to.
[Nick McMahon] "So... for now I'm gonna chase one of these 8 core machines at the right price"
Just remember you need to get one with the 5.1 firmware in order to use dual 6-cores (12-Cores) so get a 2010 or a 2009 that has had the firmware flashed from 4.1 to 5.1. A 2008 (3.1) will not support 12-Cores.

~jr

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