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Jeff David
I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 12, 2015 at 2:56:38 am

I am confused by all of the different Sony video editing programs.

I was told Sony Vegas is good if your budget is $100 to $200 but I am not seeing that at this link.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegassoftware

I am only seeing the big money versions?

What is the difference between the other Sony programs and Sony Moviemaker?

How is anyone to make sense of any of this?


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Jorma Nippala
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 12, 2015 at 9:55:53 am

The Vegas family comparison tables are on that same site.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/compare


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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 12, 2015 at 10:15:44 am

Many people confuse Movie Studio with Sony Vegas Pro, and call it Sony Vegas Movie Studio etc.
They are not the same.




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John Rofrano
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 12, 2015 at 10:43:05 pm

[Jeff David] "I was told Sony Vegas is good if your budget is $100 to $200 but I am not seeing that at this link."
As Aleksey pointed out. Many people still refer to Movie Studio as Vegas even though the word "Vegas" has been removed from the name. They probably meant Sony Movie Studio.
[Jeff David] "What is the difference between the other Sony programs and Sony Moviemaker?"
I assume you mean Sony Movie Studio (MovieMaker is the free video editor that ships with Windows). Movie Studio is what you want if you're on a budget. It's a scaled down version of Vegas Pro. It's a quite capable NLE in it's own right. Unfortunately, it is now designed to be used on a touch screen with big buttons that some people don't like.

I recommend that you download the free trials and try both programs out for yourself. That's the only way to really tell what you like. Of course, if Vegas Pro is out of your budget then just try Movie Studio.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 13, 2015 at 1:43:10 am

OK thanks that helps.

I did download the trial but haven't tried it yet.

However, this touch screen thing bothers me. Is it able to be used without the touchscreen? It's not viable for me if it is mandatory touch screen.

Looks like it's about $150 and then if you want support - which I will most likely need it's another $150.


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John Rofrano
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 13, 2015 at 12:08:43 pm

[Jeff David] "However, this touch screen thing bothers me. Is it able to be used without the touchscreen? It's not viable for me if it is mandatory touch screen."
Yes you can use it without a touch screen. It just looks silly with these big oversized buttons. It's purely cosmetic but it bothers some people.
[Jeff David] "Looks like it's about $150 and then if you want support - which I will most likely need it's another $150."
You don't have to buy the Suite unless you think you're going to use all the additional software. There is no difference between the $80 Movie Studio Platinum and the $150 Suite version. It's the exact same Movie Studio. The extra $70 is to pay for the additional software. So unless you need the additional software, you don't need to spend the extra money.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Jorma Nippala
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 13, 2015 at 12:31:05 pm

[Jeff David] " this touch screen thing bothers me. Is it able to be used without the touchscreen? It's not viable for me if it is mandatory touch screen."

Touch-enabled for touch PCs as SCS puts it just means that the buttons are "touch-friendly", i.e. as JR said "big buttons that some people don't like" in the new v 13 interface.
You can still use it with your mouse and keyboard, as I think most of us still do.
There's an honest independent write-up and tutorials on Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum here.
Remember that Movie Studio 13 Suite is the same as Platinum with several add-ons.

Seems you'll probably find MS 13 Suite at about $100 at the moment, if you shop around. Free "peer support" from other users can be found on some of the Vegas forums such as Cow and the SCS Vegas MS forum. These sites have a lot of free tutorials as well.

edit: seems I was s-l-o-w =)


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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 13, 2015 at 3:13:55 pm

OK thanks - that helps.

by the way, I have serif MOVIEPLUS now. Worked on a project for 3 years - although just part time - only to find out MOVIEPLUS CAN'T EXPORT!!!!

I am not making that up. Avoid it like the plague. I mean serioiusly, 3 years of work only to find out it does not export.

I never tried to export in the 3 years as my project was not finished so there would be no need to export it.

They are the worst JUST SAY NO TO SERIF MOVIEPLUS!!!


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John Rofrano
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 14, 2015 at 12:26:54 pm

[Jeff David] "by the way, I have serif MOVIEPLUS now. Worked on a project for 3 years - although just part time - only to find out MOVIEPLUS CAN'T EXPORT!!!!"
It claims to be able to export to: AVCHD, MP4, AVI, WMV, MPG and QuickTime MOV so I'm not sure if you just had a problem with the software but it definitely exports as a feature.

~jr

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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 14, 2015 at 3:51:20 pm

It depends on luck of the draw. The Serif Movieplus technicians are admitting that lots of people can't export the HD.

Yesterday the tech admitted this freely.

So I said well what do other people do when they can't export?

He literally said, "buy a 64 bit software."

There are also many people making this complaint in the company forums.

As you prob know HD is heavy on resources but the MOVIEPLUS is only 32 bit software so even if someone has a 64 bit computer (I have a i7 quadcore 64 bit) it is limited to only 2.5 gb when exporting and therein lies the problem.

Now I am a novice but the advertising and company (Serif) are emphatic that is is good for use w HDef. so I had no way of knowing this starting out as Serif only tells you this when your export fails.

So I said to the tech well how come some people can export and others can't and he was talking about how the files are stored if they are contiguous and if not that the program can't grab enough data as it's only 32 bit something about 1 gb but basically he said it just depends on how your files are stacked up on your computer.

He said THEY DON'T HELP WITH THAT but suggested I try it.

I will work with a microsoft level 3 tech later today to see if we can re-arrange the files.

So end result, is they defraud half of the people as only some are able to export and they are only able to export small files of not long duration and preferably not HD.

I am actually going to contact the President of the company about what I feel is fraudulent and post on the internet so others are aware.


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John Rofrano
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 14, 2015 at 10:06:03 pm

[Jeff David] "The Serif Movieplus technicians are admitting that lots of people can't export the HD. "
Ahh.. OK so your saying that the software doesn't work as advertised not that there is no export option. I understand why you're upset. If it allows you to export a smaller segment of the timeline, perhaps you can export several smaller videos and then put them back together in Movie Studio?

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Nick McMahon
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 15, 2015 at 4:21:45 pm

Wise words John... cut it into the export size chunks that yr MoviePlus allows and then stitch them together in Sony MS once you have it... easy peasy !!

3...2...1...C ya


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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 15, 2015 at 7:44:23 pm

Wow thanks for mentioning that and reminding me.

I had thought about doing that before but then someone at the SERIF MOVIPLUS forum said they were not sure if it would work w the SONY software.

Then, I forgot about that strategy until you two just mentioned it so thanks for reminding me.

So I guess then as long as can export say 15 - 20 minute segments to a file, the SONY software will be ok i.e. it will allow me to import those files into the SONY software?

Am I correct to assume that I will also be able to add sound and edit everything?

My video project is mostly edited already but I still need some additional editing and also need to ad the sound.

I guess I can find out by trying it.

I downloaded the trial version but might as well go ahead and purchase it.

Thanks!


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John Rofrano
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 15, 2015 at 9:19:44 pm

[Jeff David] "Am I correct to assume that I will also be able to add sound and edit everything? "
Yes, You can add but you can't remove. So if anything is questionable, remove it before you export because you can only add more once you get in Movie Studio. Move video, more stills, more audio, more titles, more anything you want.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 15, 2015 at 10:30:03 pm

OK that sounds good. I really appreciate everyone's help here.

I may have mentioned this before but I am a novice.

Well - i filmed this project and edited it for 3 years but only part time and there were long stretches where I had no time to work on it.

None-the-less it's been 3 years in the making.

I think I will try exporting the small segments of 15-20 minutes and then uploading to SONY.

That's good to know that I can't take things out once I export the small segments.

I have one more thing I can try w the SERIF but regardless it will prob be much less hassle in the long run to go to the SONY software.


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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 26, 2015 at 2:07:38 pm

I purchased the Sony Movie Studio 13 suite! Awesome I was blown away by the other programs that make up the suite.

I watched some of the Movie Studio tutorials so I can start using it.

I don't doubt that what the experts here like John tell me but I am just curious about something.

Now, I am being told that I can import my files from Serif Movieplus into Movie Studio 13 but that I won't be able to remove anything.

Again, I am sure you all are right but then I guess you are saying once I import files that were exported from the SERIF Movieplus if I go to use the split or cut feature in MOVIE STUDIO it just won't function? Uh yea that is what you are saying so I guess I just need to get my mind around it.

Of course, I will see first hand once I import the files but I haven't done that yet.

Thanks for all of the help!


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Mike Kujbida
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 26, 2015 at 6:28:05 pm

You can chop it up and split and cut anything you want in Vegas Movie Studio.
Where I think the confusion lies is that you won't be able to remove things that were already done in Serif Movieplus such as a title over top of a video event (what Vegas calls a a clip). That's already rendered and can't be removed (the title that is).


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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 26, 2015 at 8:36:50 pm

Oh wow thanks a million! I almost was not going to ask again.

That makes my day that I can still cut the clips up.

I did misunderstand what others said.

Being as I have no text or other things such as you described in my project that is currently in SERIF MOVIEPLUS it will not be a problem!

Now, I don't have to re-edit the entire project in Movie Studio 13 but will just export Serif Movieplus in 15 minute files and then load them into MOVIE STUDIO 13 and once in there I can add the titles and the narration.

But it's good that I cans still cut and edit the clips as I have a little bit of that left to do.

Thanks!


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John Rofrano
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 26, 2015 at 8:58:31 pm

[Jeff David] "Again, I am sure you all are right but then I guess you are saying once I import files that were exported from the SERIF Movieplus if I go to use the split or cut feature in MOVIE STUDIO it just won't function? Uh yea that is what you are saying so I guess I just need to get my mind around it. "
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you add a title over a movie in SERIF and then export it, that title cannot be removed in Movie Studio. I was not implying that you could not edit the video export. Just that it would be a single video and any overlays like titles would be burned in and not removable.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Jeff David
Re: I am confused by the different Sony Vegas programs???
on Jan 26, 2015 at 9:09:00 pm

Yes - I understand now.

Thanks.

That is good news as like I said I have not added any titles or overlays etc to the project while in Serif Movieplus.

So that is great.

Got it.

Thanks!


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