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DanDan
Preset Ripoff?
on Oct 5, 2006 at 4:45:34 am

So...not that it matters, but:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/disasters/man_made_disasters/terror...

I just think it's tacky...

-Dan


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Aharon Rabinowitz
Re: Preset Ripoff?
on Oct 5, 2006 at 1:18:36 pm

I see stuff like that all the time. The fact is, many of the people buying this stuff, don't know anything about particles - and more importantly, don;t want to know anything about them.

While it's tacky, there's certainly no legal issues, and depending on who;s buying it, it's better than having to spend time and money buying and learning a program they will use only once.

But you're right. It's annoying.

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Jose Burgos
Re: Preset Ripoff?
on Oct 12, 2006 at 3:23:15 pm

If a preset is in the emitter libary and it was given free by WonderTouch or was purchased by a user, then anything created with it in PI is OK.
Always has been.
He is not selling the emitter.
He is selling a rendered animation of the emitter.

I don't see how it is annoying.
If you found your "emitter" being re-sold as someone else's work, then yes that is way bad and criminal.
If you found your "emitter" being sold as rendered animation from someone that did not pay for the emitter or if you had spec's on re-use from your emitter, then again bad and criminal.

Other than that, anything rendered in PI can be sold because if it did not, all of us who make a living using it, would not be able to use it for profit.

eg. You make a PI animation of snow falling by adding the snow emitter to the project and you save it a tga sequence with alpha for a client.
Next month a new client wants snow so you show him a animation of snow from your last project. He purchases it from you but you do not re-render, you only give him a copy of what you already did at full price if you wanted too.

How is that different other than advertising on the web as a pre-done animation?


Not trying to be a dick about it so I hope I am not comming off in the wrong way.

The only way to protect yourself is when you sell an emitter is to include a clause on re-use.
But if you give it to Wondertouch to add the emitter libary, then there is nothing you can do or should not even feel bad.
Becasue the truth is, a few times I have seen people looking for the creator of a said emitter and then wanting the creator to make it specail for him becasue he can not and now you have drumed in business by putting your emitter out there in the first place :)

Hope I explained it right, again, I mean no disrespect and I am personally grateful for all the emitters Wondertouch includes and gives away evey month.
I am also a purchaser of emitters from some talented users as well.
Makes me more productive and that equals profitable.

Take care

Jose Burgos
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Aharon Rabinowitz
Re: Preset Ripoff?
on Oct 12, 2006 at 4:40:26 pm

The original comment stems from the fact that someone litterally plopped an emitter on the stage, rendered it, and then sells it on istock photo for between $5 and $20 depending on resolution.

Legally there is no issue. You can use emitter for whatever you want provided you don;t sell the actuall emitter.

And morally, there's no real issue either - Someone who doesn't know how to use particleIllusion will get a particle effect without having to learn something new.

That saiid, it's always kind of annoying when someone else does the hard work, and this guy is getting rich off of it without doing any hard work himself. wel... Welcome to america! Work smarter not harder. There's nothing wrong with that.

On the other side of it, based on the video, and my knowledge of pIllusion and compositing, this footage will have some problems because it needs a non-intense alpha to work properly, and that's not what he's provided. As a result there will prbably be some collor fringing at the edges which will be very visible when placed over anything but black. So good luck to anyone that buys it.

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Elvis Deane
Re: Preset Ripoff?
on Oct 12, 2006 at 6:25:31 pm

You've let the secret out! Now he'll read your message and make adjustments to make the alpha channel useable! :p

Personally, when I release an emitter I know it will be used by people in their projects and they'll get paid for it, and I'm okay with that. I've also thought many times about rendering some of my emitters out and selling them as stock footage, but I can't justify giving an animation away in one medium (emitters), and selling that same animation in another medium (stock footage). Sure, I could justify it by saying that I took the time to render and package the stuff, so I'm charging for that service, but I'd hate to be that guy who pays $20 for the footage only to find out he could've got the same thing for free by buying some software that would make his life happier.





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Aharon Rabinowitz
Re: Preset Ripoff?
on Oct 12, 2006 at 6:59:24 pm

maybe maybe not. Since a non-intrense alpha channel requires some real compositing knowledge, i doubt that person buying it would know how to use it any way. So the guy making the video for sale would get slammed.

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