FORUMS: list search recent posts

"Lower Third" Titles?

COW Forums : Broadcasting

<< PREVIOUS   •   VIEW ALL   •   PRINT   •   NEXT >>
dimwell
"Lower Third" Titles?
on Mar 27, 2006 at 10:32:02 pm

Hi Everyone,

I did a bit of searching, here and online, but didn't find much help. Maybe I've got too much n00b in me to be any good at searching for this kind of stuff. If this is in the wrong place, just lemme know. :)

I do a lot of Scouting-centric production, including live presentations to audiences of 300+ people. We currently use live camera feeds (for guest speakers and what-not) and project the image on a large 9'x13' projection screen, but we don't have any way of putting live lower-third titles on-screen.

Is there an easy way to do this?

We have a cheap Panasonic video mixer but aren't opposed to buying a new mixer if it'll give us this sort of freedom in our presentation.

Basically, we have a live video feed coming on one channel, a DVD player (or two) on another channel (or two), and an Apple PowerBook G4 on another channel (or a "title" channel). We'd like to be able to use the PowerBook to lay titles over any video feed. Is "keying" the proper jargon for this sort of thing?

I found a kluge involving PowerPoint and the apparently primitive "Chroma" function in our mixer, but it's very cumbersome. I'm hoping to find something a bit more polished and easier to use. We have a 3D animator, so being able to import video clips and/or animate titles would be useful.

So, in summary, we're looking for an OS X software solution for titling with some guidance on how to lay it over the video feed(s) going through the mixer.

Any help? Thanks.


Return to posts index

Thax
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
by
on Mar 27, 2006 at 11:00:53 pm

For what you're doing you want a "real" character generator (to heck trying to use a stnadard computer for CG stuff, it never works very well).

I have a stand-alone Videonics Titlemaker.
Its titles look very clean and the type/edge/shadow options are plentiful.
It inserts in the line after the "switcher" or "mixer".
It keys the titles over the output inside its own electronics.
It can be composite (RCA jacks) or S-Video.
I don't know if these are still being built, but there are plenty still available.
Here are a couple of links:


http://www.atbatt.com/product/817.asp

http://shopping.msn.com/specs/shp/?itemId=169651781

http://www.videomaker.com/scripts/article_print.cfm?id=2424#videonics


Return to posts index

dimwell
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Mar 28, 2006 at 6:53:28 am

For what you're doing you want a "real" character generator (to heck trying to use a stnadard computer for CG stuff, it never works very well).

While I appreciate the insight, every hardware titler I've seen is way out of our range, monetarily. That's why I'm hoping to find a software titler (for my PowerBook G4) that we can key in with the mixer.

Any suggestions in that direction?


Return to posts index


Thax
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
by
on Mar 28, 2006 at 12:07:46 pm

If $600 is "way out of your range", you're on the WRONG FORUM!

;-)


Return to posts index

dimwell
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Mar 28, 2006 at 2:04:29 pm

Well, we have an annual operating budget of $500, which typically suits our needs, but we're trying to find ways to add some polish to our live presentations. We're selling some DVDs of work that we've done for the last 6 years as a fundraiser of sorts, but $600 is still a big chunk of that.

If an ideal hardware-based solution costs $600, is there not a "good enough" software solution that works for a group of hobbyists who will use it 3-5 times a year at the most?


Return to posts index

Thax
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
by
on Mar 28, 2006 at 3:08:35 pm

Like I said, you are on the WRONG FORUM to get a fast answer this question.

$600 won't buy the cables needed to connect much of the gear broadcasters use.


You might try the "Event Videographers" Forum here on the COW.


Return to posts index


dimwell
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Mar 28, 2006 at 4:55:34 pm

You might try the "Event Videographers" Forum here on the COW.

I didn't see that forum before, so I'll definitely check that out. My presumption was that high-end users may at least be aware of some bottom-end solutions. Looks like I was mistaken.

Thanks for your help, anyway.


Return to posts index

David Jones
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Mar 28, 2006 at 6:02:25 pm

Ebay



Return to posts index

Charlie King
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Mar 30, 2006 at 8:29:25 pm

I don't know of a software, for MAC, or PC for that matter under $500. As thax said I think you are looking in the wrong forum. See if any of the guys in the Videographers forum have an idea for you. I doubt the Corporate Video forum would have anything.

Charlie


Return to posts index


mark Suszko
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Apr 1, 2006 at 5:29:00 am

Did you say mac powerbook?

How about a switcher with CG, effects, and even streaming, all in software?

google Channel Storm liveChannel. There's a review in the latest issue of one of the pro magazines. I've been following this product for a while now, it seems to actually work. Free demo download to try out. It is right around 900 bucks, BUT... you're getting more than just the lower thirds.

on ebay, I would look for a used Pinnacle Alladin, which would do an awesome job for your needs, and it's the simplest thing to operate i've ever worked with. We are still using ours daily, though it runs on win95. A version on a PC card, called the Genie Plus card, will also do the same thing. You will want to make sure you get a working dongle with the sale; no dongle, no workee program, and Pinnacle has EOL'd these units so they will be little help. But if you can find a working one, you have struck video gold, my friend. You can use the Alladin as a switcher not unlike the video toaster, it has powerful but easy to use single-channel DVE, Inscriber CG for your lower thirds, a simple but powerful video paint program, chromakeying, still stores... such a deal!

The world's formost expert on the pinnacle Alladin is Paul Holtz, who runs a company out of Hoffman Estates Illinois, on the edge of Chicago. if you score an old alladin, he may still have leftover copies of his training materials for it to sell you.





Return to posts index

Drewfus
Re: "Lower Third" Titles?
on Apr 4, 2006 at 8:13:51 pm

Try looking into some software specificaly designed for church presentation, Such as Media Shout, ProPresenter, Song show Plus. I don't know if they will do what you want. But I know lots of people have been working on that.


Return to posts index

<< PREVIOUS   •   VIEW ALL   •   PRINT   •   NEXT >>
© 2017 CreativeCOW.net All Rights Reserved
[TOP]