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Mike Tomei
Problem with creating Quicktime using DVCPRO HD codec
on Oct 2, 2010 at 4:20:42 am

Hello everyone,

Here's my situation that I'm really hoping you all can help with:

I'm using Adobe Premiere CS5 on a PC. My sequence is set to DVCPRO HD 720p60. The run time is about 2 hours. I'm trying to export using Adobe Media Encoder CS5. My intended export format is a Quicktime MOV file using the DVCPRO 720p60 codec. When I start the encoding, it just sits at the very beginning of the progress bar and I see the estimated time creeping up and up, estimating infinite hours and hours of encoding.

But wait....there's more. My sequence starts with a Photoshop file as a title screen. If I delete that PSD file from the beginning of my sequence, then Adobe Media Encoder has no problem creating my Quicktime MOV using the DVCPRO HD 720p60 codec. I replaced the Photoshop file with a JPEG, and the encoding issue is back. Obviously, the graphics are the issue. They render fine in Premiere, so this is an odd one to me.

I tried another codec within the Quicktime family (Animation codec), and it didn't have any problem encoding with the graphic at the beginning of the sequence. I'm dealing with a client that insists on me delivering a Quicktime MOV file using the DVCPRO HD 720p60 codec. If I can't find a fix to this, am I correct in assuming that I should first export using a lossless codec, like Quicktime Animation, then encode that using the Quicktime DVCPRO HD 720p60 settings?

Sorry for such a long post. I figured more details would be better than too few.

Thanks!

Mike Tomei

Intel i7-930 2.8GHz
12 GB RAM
1 GB VRAM
Adobe Production Premium CS5
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Chris Blair
Re: Problem with creating Quicktime using DVCPRO HD codec
on Oct 3, 2010 at 4:31:00 pm

Why not just render that first graphic as a video file in whatever format you're using on the timeline...then place that rendered file on the timeline instead of the graphic? Shouldn't that in theory fix the problem if it's the graphic causing it?

Chris Blair
Magnetic Image, Inc.
Evansville, IN
http://www.videomi.com
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Rich Rubasch
Re: Problem with creating Quicktime using DVCPRO HD codec
on Oct 4, 2010 at 12:57:06 am

I wish Adobe would have a simple export function that could go around the Media Encoder. Something that would export right off the timeline to whatever codec you are editing with. Going out to the Media Encoder can be hit or miss, but jumping to Animation then export that out of QT Player to DVCProHD seems like the solution here.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production and Post
Owner/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
http://www.tiltmedia.com


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Mike Tomei
Re: Problem with creating Quicktime using DVCPRO HD codec
on Oct 4, 2010 at 12:35:50 pm

Thanks for the responses. Chris, yes, your method would work, but unfortunately I have about 50-60 more graphics peppered through the timeline. That might be a timely process.

On another forum that I posted the issue to, someone had an interesting workaround: place a piece of video on the highest numbered video track and drop the opacity of that video to zero. Then, since the graphics aren't on the top most video layer, the project will export properly using the Quicktime DVCPRO HD 720p60 codec. I tried it and it worked. Anyone know of a reason why this wouldn't be a good idea?

Thanks!

Mike Tomei

Intel i7-930 2.8GHz
12 GB RAM
1 GB VRAM
Adobe Production Premium CS5
http://www.miketomei.com


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Chris Blair
Re: Problem with creating Quicktime using DVCPRO HD codec
on Oct 5, 2010 at 12:54:32 am

No reasons not to do it...but I do know that Adobe should fix their buggy products. We gave up on Premiere with version CS3, which also has quirky and sometimes crash prone Adobe Media Encoder issues. Thankfully, we have plugins that allow us to export to Procoder directly from the Premiere Timeline, which works 99.9% of the time and is rock solid.

But the only thing we use Premiere for is updates to old projects that were created on it. I also constanly run into quirky and just plain weird render and export bugs in After Effects CS3.

Anyway...Adobe Media Encoder is useless in my opinoin because of the bugs. If you can afford Procoder it's well worth the money and will virtually eliminate the export headaches with it's Premiere export plug-in.

Chris Blair
Magnetic Image, Inc.
Evansville, IN
http://www.videomi.com
Read our blog http://www.videomi.com/blog


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