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Daniel Low
My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 2:21:32 am

Hi Experts

I wonder if you could help me tie my shoe laces.

I've tried all sort of combinations but none of them give me as good as what I see on my friends shoes (although he has a pro tie his shoe laces and his shoes cost him many hundreds of $$$!) but i figure I can be an expert for nothing, with no effort. I did go to college so I must qualify!?

Oh, by the way, I can't be bothered to read the very helpful post at the top of this forum or do a simple search, here or on google, I'm in too much of a hurry for that.

In fact, if you could come round and run my business for me I would be most grateful.

p.s. he said our feet might be different sizes, what does he mean by that?!?!

;-)

Ron, please delete this post should you see fit!





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Craig Seeman
Re: My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 3:04:28 am

To tie shoes please use the Gordian Knot.



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Kris A. Wotipka
Re: My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 1:30:44 pm

Ah yes. There are days when I want to stand on top of the CAPS LOCK key and scream RTFM at the top of my lungs as well. Then I have to remember all the help I have gotten from the kindness of strangers when I either didn't know the right terms or even the right question to ask.

That's when I have to step back and take a breath. I easily remember the day when I first launched compressor. It looked soooo easy. That's when the reality set in that Compressor is just a tool, there is a whole skillset behind what it does. A skillset that is about the same thing as voodoo to the unknowing.

This is the problem I think most people have. Presets only go so far and when you have to venture out into the world of custom settings, noting makes ANY sense. I can see this is the CODEC classes I teach. They start out confused and I think most leave the first class even more confused.

So in a forum like this, it would probably exceed the character limit and patience of anyone to try to explain exactly why they are to use a certain setting. There will always be the knowledge moochers. The answers we give them might get them through this project but they will bumble the next one. We can only hope that more people try to understand compression and focus less on the product they are using and current project they are freaking out about.

kris@wotipka.com
Image maker


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Craig Seeman
Re: My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 5:57:28 pm

It's not even about manuals which are poorly written or find information on compression which for the most part is only piecemeal placed.

Some people don't know how to ask a proper question providing information so one can provide an answer.

It's like calling an auto mechanic on the phone and simply saying "my car wont start" and expecting them to have an answer. If you can't tell me the make and model of your car, whether you tried putting the key in the ignition, gas (and type of gas) in the engine (or maybe it's an electric car) and, maybe the sound the engine made when you attempted to start the car (and even the state of your ears when you were listening) . . .

we can't answer the question.

Forget even about Google and knowing the terms to search for. If one can't read the sticky at the top of this forum as a guide to asking for help then one may not be capable of digesting the free meal being offered.



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Daniel Low
Re: My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 6:27:53 pm

[Craig Seeman] " If one can't read the sticky at the top of this forum as a guide to asking for help then one may not be capable of digesting the free meal being offered. "

Love it.



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Chris Blair
Re: My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 8:44:25 pm

If you're not a regular reader of contributor on internet forums, you likely wouldn't know to read the "stickies" at the top of the page...or even know what a sticky is for that matter.

On many industry forums those little nuggets don't particularly stand out as something that's a must read prior to posting or looking for an answer. Searching internet forums is also a crap shoot at best. I've searched for my own posts on this and many other forums to retrieve a link or re-read some information I got from somewhere else and I literally could not find them...and I knew the subject matter, keywords and knew that I posted it.

That's certainly NOT a knock on Creative Cow's site as the same thing happens on Yahoo Groups, 2-Pop, Doom, Cinematography.com and dozens of other forum sites, including large commercial sites like Microsoft's knowledge base and Apple's forums, which are particularly obtuse when it comes to its search function.

Sure some people want an easy answer and don't know how to provide enough information. But they surely won't learn how to be better site members if they get so alienated after their first post that they never come back.

Chris Blair
Magnetic Image, Inc.
Evansville, IN
http://www.videomi.com


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Craig Seeman
Re: My shoes
on Feb 24, 2010 at 11:56:29 pm

[Chris Blair] "If you're not a regular reader of contributor on internet forums, you likely wouldn't know to read the "stickies" at the top of the page...or even know what a sticky is for that matter. "

[Chris Blair] "Sure some people want an easy answer and don't know how to provide enough information. But they surely won't learn how to be better site members if they get so alienated after their first post that they never come back."

. . .and it's both easy and not rude to point the poster to the sticky after the fact. Unless they've never made a tech support call, never visited a forum before, never ever asked a tech support question about their NLE or whatever. They'd now how to provide information.

The reason why I use auto mechanic and doctor office analogies because most people have been through one or the other. Both the mechanic and doctor will ask you to provide information.

Maybe people don't know everything that might be needed but it's pretty obvious who is considerate enough to try and who isn't.

Most of us here are working professionals who are providing their assistance freely. Those providing assistance have the right to request that such service and time not be abused.


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Chris Blair
Re: My shoes
on Feb 25, 2010 at 1:41:50 am

I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't tell new posters to read the stickies and do a search. That should certainly be done.

But there's no reason to chastise people in the process, which is done quite often all across this site on many different forums. That attitude is really unique to this site and just doesn't happen on virtually any of the other forums I participate in (and they're numerous). On other sites, people are very respectful of newbies, despite their lack of knowledgde about forum subjects or forum protocols. Site and forum moderators often go out of their way to help new members.

As for industry professionals offering their assistance freely, just because we're doing it for free doesn't mean we can't be respectful of people. Plus, people can certainly choose to simply not answer a post they think provides too little information.

I'd suspect most people that post without providing enough info are often thrown into doing tasks under deadline that they're not trained to do and know absolutely nothing about. We see it everyday with our corporate clients. Marketing Directors and Brand managers who suddenly become web administrators, video producers, writers and designers because the company eliminates the creative staff. Or new hires who are asked to suddenly be compression experts when they've not been taught a thing about it in college or their previous jobs.

I for one don't mind helping folks and trying to be nice in the process. I know I'd appreciate the same treatment and respect if I was in their shoes.

Chris Blair
Magnetic Image, Inc.
Evansville, IN
http://www.videomi.com


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Craig Seeman
Re: My shoes
on Feb 25, 2010 at 3:05:18 am

[Chris Blair] "On other sites, people are very respectful of newbies, despite their lack of knowledgde about forum subjects or forum protocols. Site and forum moderators often go out of their way to help new members. "

I guess you have never been on the Avid-L or the FCP-L lists.

BTW this isn't the only forum Bob Zelin visits.

COW folks actually had a series of "basics" forums for newbies but apparently that didn't pan out.

[Chris Blair] "On other sites, people are very respectful of newbies, despite their lack of knowledgde about forum subjects or forum protocols."

My experience is the opposite on at least some other forums. Some posts and posters are deleted if they don't follow protocol. Many forums expect people to read the rules BEFORE posting.

[Chris Blair] ", just because we're doing it for free doesn't mean we can't be respectful of people."

Respect is a two way street. In many schools you buy the textbook before you walk into the class. There are some expect us to write the textbook for them. I've seen other forums seriously damaged by people have no respect for those taking the time to assist. Personally I think the COW has some of the most tolerant and good natured forum folk, leaders, etc.

[Chris Blair] "Site and forum moderators often go out of their way to help new members. "

You seem to think it's about "new members." They can't be lumped together. As I said before you see there are some that do make an effort to describe their problems within the current capabilities and there are some who clearly aren't trying. Some newbies go on to share what they learn. Others as a question and several people answer and the original posters doesn't even come back to report progress or even state whether any answers were relevant.

[Chris Blair] "I'd suspect most people that post without providing enough info are often thrown into doing tasks under deadline "
Under deadline and not providing enough information is a deadly combination. You can get an answer in one post or ten back and forth. Do you think the latter works? See the sticky about FASTEST response? Being asked to rescue a sinking ship in minutes when the "captain" won't even tell you about the ship is the PERFECT example of disrespect.

There is nothing wrong with any of the COW folk to ask that any poster respect their time. Never confuse new member with immature.

[Chris Blair] "new hires who are asked to suddenly be compression experts when they've not been taught a thing about it in college or their previous jobs."
And when the house is burning you'd better know that you should do is give the address and then other important details. If the 911 operator has to pry the information out of you then the house burns and precious seconds may mean lives lost.

We learn EVERYWHERE in our lives whether it's talking to Doctor, auto mechanic, making that 911 call, to provide information. There's no reason why we shouldn't see that here. New at the COW doesn't mean New to life.





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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: My shoes
on Feb 28, 2010 at 4:43:44 pm

Aaaah Daniel -

You haven't given us enough information here...what is your shoe size? How many feet do you have? Is the color of these shoes Brown version 1.0.1 or Black version 2.0.4?

How much memory does your left sock have? Are there any wear through spots on the soles of these shoes? What material is the welt of the shoe made of? What version of BIOS is your main shoe running (Boot Is Outside of Sock)? We can't help you tie your shoes until you give us some basic information about these shoes. The help file that came with your shoes is a good place to start.

Joe Bourke
Creative Director / Multimedia Specialist
B&S Exhibits and Multimedia
bs-exhibits.com


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