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Beachwood Productions
Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 18, 2005 at 6:59:33 pm

I just spent some time trying to use cleaner 6 to encode for the new video ipod. all works well except the audio. When I set audio to MPEG4 the encode finishes but does not save the file. If I set audio to no compression the file is saved. The only problem with this is the spec for video ipod calls for aac audio encoding and a max kbp rate. any ideas how to do this. Of course I could just encode with QT but you can not tweak the settings, everything is a preset.

Peter Wilcox
Beachwood Productions


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daniel_l
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 20, 2005 at 11:54:35 am

Cleaner 6 is not compatible with QuickTime 7 and is unlikely to ever be.
By all means use Cleaner for pre-processing (cropping colour correction etc) and then Quicktime 7 Pro or another application to create your MPEG4 or H.264 output.

DL


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Beachwood Productions
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 20, 2005 at 3:24:09 pm

Actually I have had very good success using cleaner to compress H264 its only when I try to compress the audio to I have troubles. I was surprised to find all the new QT codecs came up when I installed QT7. I also use Flip4Mac with no problems with Cleaner6. I kind of pulled fast one when I installed QT7 I renamed my QT6 Pro which kept it from being overwritten so now when I load QT6 all the QT7 codecs are there to export to without getting Pro for QT7. I dont understand it is just works. :o)


Peter Wilcox
Beachwood Productions


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daniel_l
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 20, 2005 at 3:29:19 pm

Mmmm, I see little point in using an application for encoding when it can't deal with audio.
Maybe your combination of QT6/7 has helped you get around some of the issues cleaner has?
I only use cleaner for certain pre-processing tasks these days. It's either too slow or bombs out for anything else.


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Beachwood Productions
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 20, 2005 at 3:49:41 pm

We use H264 for video web delivery. If I use uncompressed audio everything works out ok. Unfortunately the Video iPod specs call for compressed audio, aac.
Talked to the folks Discreet and they alluded to a new version coming out soon. I hope so there is nothing on the Mac that was a elegant a solution for compression and adjustment of video files. IMHO.

Peter Wilcox
Beachwood Productions


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Ben Waggoner
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 21, 2005 at 4:49:28 pm

Have you tried Squeeze or Compression Master? Both do H.264 on Mac, and both are in active engineering. Compression Master has better H.264 quality.

Discreet has been alluding to a new version of Cleaner for more than two years now. I know they had contracted to some folks in India to work on it quite a while ago, but I don't know if they got much traction. It's a complex product, and would be really hard to pick up without someone on the team familiar with its source code.


My Book: http://www.benwaggoner.com/books.htm
Squeeze and ProCoder tutorials: http://www.classondemand.net/benwaggoner/
Compression Class at Stanford: http://www.digitalmediaacademy.org/compression.html


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Beachwood Productions
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 21, 2005 at 11:26:04 pm

Ben good to hear from you. I remember you from back when I was beta testing for Media Cleaner from Teran.
I downloaded a demo of compression master awhile back when it came out and found it to be buggy and not very intuitive. I assume its been upgraded many times since then. I'll give it a look again. I sure liked Cleaner I wish they had kept up on it. With all the web video and Video iPods out there the market is bigger than ever for good compression software. Of course if Apple ever gets Compression up to speed that would help also.
Thanks

Peter Wilcox
Beachwood Productions


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Ben Waggoner
Re: Cleaner 6 and Video iPod
on Oct 22, 2005 at 3:20:52 am

Compression Master has been much, much improved over the last few releases.

Cleaner is a tragedy, made all the more tragic by the fact it didn't need to happen.


My Book: http://www.benwaggoner.com/books.htm
Squeeze and ProCoder tutorials: http://www.classondemand.net/benwaggoner/
Compression Class at Stanford: http://www.digitalmediaacademy.org/compression.html


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