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manny
Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 8, 2007 at 8:51:00 am

Im into motion graphics design and 3D animations. Im planing to buy a new PC which would be running applications such as After Effects, Premiere, Photoshop, cinema 4D and the like. Im torn into what processor I would be buying so that my work will be faster and more efficient. Would it be a quad core or dual core? please help.


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janman
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 8, 2007 at 2:14:41 pm

Buy a quadcore !
The prices of the Intel Q6600 are very low.
Buy a good cooler and you can overclock it to 3GHz without any problem. check the web, there are lots of articles on the q6600 and overclocking.
and don't forget ... 4 to 8GB of ram.


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vinmark
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 8, 2007 at 3:10:59 pm

i just got a 2.4 gig quad core but and 4 gigs of ram but ae isn't using it. any thoughts?


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janman
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 8, 2007 at 3:27:48 pm

you mean "processor usage" or "memory usage"

for processor usage you should enable the multiprocessor setting in CS3 preferences or buy nucleo pro.

for memory usage;
all depends on your OS.
OSX makes AE use 3 GB of ram.
XP32 makes AE use 2 GB of ram.
XP64 makes AE use 4 GB of ram.

by enabling the "3GB switch" in xp32 you can use 3GB of Ram. (search the forum and google for more info on that)

every instance of AE (CS3 or nucleo) can use that amount of ram. For example with Nucleo;
AE can use 2 to 4 GB and the rest of the rendering-instances can use whatever is free.


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vinmark
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 8, 2007 at 7:16:38 pm

yea i have xp 32 bit, and i enabled all the stuff i needed to and added the 3gig switch but ae still say i only have 2 gigs when i go to render. its kinda frustrating since i got the 4 gigs for ae usage.


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Janman
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 9, 2007 at 11:02:01 am

The 3GB switch can be tricky ,If you went through all the steps and it still doesn't work, you could check your bios for memory-mapping settings. I know Asus-boards have extra mapping settings.
but ... best thing would be to switch to XP64.

some good links on the 3GB switch:
http://www.vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=FAQ/3GB_Switch
http://generalspecialist.com/2006/05/using-more-than-2gb-of-ram-in-after.as...

good luck !


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improviz
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 10, 2007 at 8:21:13 pm

If you are able to boot XP 32bit with 4 gb of ram installed, please post details here. I run 3gb on XP, and to my knowledge, you CANNOT get XP 32 bit OS to boot/recognize 4GB of ram, regardless of what "switch" you enable.

Also, Adobe does NOT recommend using XP-64 bit if you're running CS3, I called them and spoke directly to tech support on that one.

If you are going to make this a dedicated workstation you'd probably be smart to buy a MAC and get multiple cores and load it up with RAM. You can always run BootCamp when you need to use your Windows programs....


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janman
Re: Quad core 2.4GHz or Dual core 3.0GHz
on Dec 10, 2007 at 9:25:06 pm

I only played a short time with the CS3 demo in XP64, probably too short to find any difficulties.
AE7 works like a charm in XP64 so it seems I'll have to forget about updating to CS3.
Adobe does not recommend XP64! true !! but that doesn't mean it won't work !
XP64 has a lot of compatibility issues but for me it's the only option. I have 8GB installed, 4 GB is adressed to the Main After Effects program and the other 4 GB is used for the OS, photoshop and rendering instances. Working with uncompressed 1080p ... XP64 is the best option, don't forget that AE on OSX will only use 3GB!!

XP32 boots with 4GB of Ram ... but,
it depends on your motherboard/ram combination.
On a cheap MSI Neo2 I was able to use 3.5GB of ram installed and After Effects used the whole 3.5GB
On my A8nSLI Windows32 only sees 3GB.


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jimmybee500
FAO Steve Forde - RAM?
on Dec 11, 2007 at 10:34:33 am

This is not good news...I'm about to inherit an ASUS A8NSLi with an AMD dual core proc and I've bought 4GB RAM for it, on the advice of Steve Forde from Gridiron (Nucleo)...but you say this mobo won't even SEE 4GB?

I know AE won't use more than 2GB in XP32, but I wanted the extra 2GB for Photoshop, Premiere and Nucleo instances..plus a bit for PCIe blackhole..hopefully leaving a full 2GB exclusively for AE.

Have I got this wrong?


*Production Studio Premium CS2 / *Combustion 3 / Mocha v1
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Win XP Pro SP2 / Intel P4 3GHz / 2GB RAM / GeForce FX5200 / DeckLink Pro / Roland DS-5 monitors / Sony BVM-20G1E / DVS SDI Clipstation / Wacom Intuos 3 A4 / 110GB boot/80GB media/600GB RAID-0


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janman
Re: FAO Steve Forde - RAM?
on Dec 11, 2007 at 11:35:08 am

you're A8n will see the 4 GB (with compatible memory!) but Asus maps 1GB for your AGP/PCI/PCIex hardware. In XP32 you'll have 3GB left for your programs.

http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?no=D06D6034-D5C9-49C4-5E1B-CF724DB5C00...

So it seems that the 1GB isn't really lost, just strange that my previous MSI-board left 3.5GB for XP32 usage.



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jimmy bee
Re: FAO Steve Forde - RAM?
on Dec 11, 2007 at 12:08:59 pm

It takes a whole GIG!!? Blimey. Glad my Decklink is not PCIe aswell then..otherwise that'd zap even more!

Does anyone know of another suitable mobo that doesn't have this problem I could go for?

It needs to support:-

DDR400 RAM
Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 FX 4200+ proc
NVidia GeForce 7900GS PCIe gfx card

Thanks guys.

*Production Studio Premium CS2 / *Combustion 3 / Mocha v1
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Win XP Pro SP2 / Intel P4 3GHz / 2GB RAM / GeForce FX5200 / DeckLink Pro / Roland DS-5 monitors / Sony BVM-20G1E / DVS SDI Clipstation / Wacom Intuos 3 A4 / 110GB boot/80GB media/600GB RAID-0


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Steve Forde
Re: FAO Steve Forde - RAM?
on Dec 11, 2007 at 2:57:47 pm

The missing RAM IS the PCI-Blackhole. You should be able to view how much RAM the BIOS is reserving. This creates the effect of Win XP 32 not seeing the blackhole (as the motherboard takes it away from the OS to reserve for itself).

Therefore - if you have 4GB installed....

1. The BIOS will show that 4GB is installed - and that 1GB is reserved for the PCI bus.
2. Windows will only show that 3GB is installed - as that 1GB is taken away from it by the BIOS before Windows even boots up.

All in all - WinXP will only show the amount of RAM that the BIOS has given it.

Hope this makes sense

Also - I have been to studios and production houses all over the planet - and have seen XP64 and Vista 64 running AE7 and CS3 quite nicely. It takes some tweaking every now and again - but if you need the horsepower - unfortunately its your only route when dealing with RAM limitations.

I will say that dealing with drivers, Quicktime etc on a Win 64 system is more complicated, and may only be palatable to folks with more advanced knowledge of dealing with the OS.

Steve
GridIron Software Inc.


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