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Quinn Aubke
Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 17, 2018 at 5:39:53 pm

Hi,
so, i go to film school in Sweden - and we are about to make our graduation films.
I have only worked with AE once and this is my opportunity to learn a bit more about it.
What i need in one scene, is someone holding a Rubik's Cube, which falls into all of it's pieces in that persons hand.
The camera will be hand hold. (actually, it will sit on a glidecam - but the point is, that it probably will be moving side to side a little bit - if that is important.)
Does anyone have a tip for me? No need for really detailed explanations - i know how to use google.
Thank you in beforehand! :)


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 17, 2018 at 6:21:21 pm

You will be better off using a 3D application rather than After Effects for this shot.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Quinn Aubke
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 17, 2018 at 7:44:02 pm

Well, i thought about using a real one. But my question is, whether that might be a bit too ambitious.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 12:56:35 am

You mean a real Rubik's Cube? Consider this -- you would have to remove it from the subject's hand somehow. Do you know how this would be done?

This Special Effects stuff is hard to do.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Quinn Aubke
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 9:12:31 am

I was thinking about masking it out somehow.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 4:34:17 pm

A mask leaves a hole in the video. You see nothing. You need to fill that hole with something, preferably an empty hand. Think about the motion you want in your shot. Think about the movement of the hand. These are all factors in planning an effects shot.

You could HOPE for a miracle here, but in my experience, miracles don't happen in effects work. They are meticulously planned.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Richard Garabedain
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 4:53:43 pm

Does not seem like much of a film school if you are making your graduation projects without knowing how to use the software


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Quinn Aubke
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 5:42:33 pm

It is a one year documentary film school course. And we're usually only working with Premiere.


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Daniel Waldron
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 4:56:51 pm

This is ambitious effect for anyone not very skilled at After Effects. I recommend shooting on a locked down tripod to take camera tracking out of the equation. You can add some slight fake camera movement in post after if that's important. You will still need to motion track your actor's hands. You can probably create and animate your own Rubik's cube using the Element 3D plugin or the free Create3dShapes script. Compositing it to look realistic with shadows and lighting will be extremely tricky though.

Not sure what final effect your going for is, but shooting a practical effect may be, well, more practical.


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Steve Bentley
Re: Concerning a particular effect
on Apr 18, 2018 at 8:20:36 pm

Just so you can see what you are getting into, here's how it normally done:
Assets:

3D model of rubics cube.
3d model or scan of the persons hand (low poly hand may be enough - whether you need this element or not depends on the shot)
High quality hand held footage of actor with empty hand (usually with tracking markers). (re high quality: the larger and closer to uncompressed the footage is the better the track)

Method
3D track the hand and the world.
Rotoscope the fingers that cover parts of the cube and make a matte.
Remove the tracking dots from the live action hand.
Bring the camera solve from the 3D tracker into the 3D package and set up your "world" to include the 3D hand and rubics cube and correct lighting. Generate a reflection map that corresponds to the world and the hand.
Match move the 3d hand model to the actors movement. This may involve more than just matching the motion, often you will have to animate the hand (finger flexing etc) to match.
Attach the movement of the hand to the rubics cube and then animate the rubics cube if it does more than just sit in the hand. Run a dynamics simulation (or animate by hand) to have the rubics cube fall apart, with the sub cubes of the larger cube interacting with each other - this requires a physics engine and rigid body simulations and some gravity.
Turn off the 3D hand and render 3D rubics cube element with alpha channel, depth of field channel, motion blur channel and a shadow pass channel.
Composite the 3D elements onto the 2d shot, using the rotoscoped element to mask out obscured parts of the cube in the hand and the shadow pass element. Add a little frame by frame hand paint to fix anything that needs it (its gonna happen)
Color correct elements so they match.

Adding a 3D element into a 2D shot is hard but gets exponentially harder when it has to be: in contact with a human, a moving human, a moving human and a moving camera.
A few years ago, we(and a few other companies) were asked to replace a baby doll in a movie with either a CG baby or a real one, where the main actor holds and cradles the doll. There was no amount of money they could have offered where we would have said yes. The baby doll remains in the movie. If elements had been shot to accommodate such an effect it would have still been hard, but as it was.....

What you need to do is very doable, but its not for the faint of heart, assuming it has to look real.



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