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Jeremy Garchow
After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 5:31:15 pm

Sharing projects with other artists is pain staking.

Relinking huge projects takes 10 minutes due to the way After Effects treats media.

Importing XMLs/projects creates all kinds of duplicate media entries in the project leading to more confusing and explodes organizational methods apart in to masses of messes.

For those of you that need to share projects with other collaborators, how do you do it with a 10 minute relink session, and keeping project organization relatively sane?

And has the MXF relink bug been fixed in the latest version of After Effects CC?


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Dave LaRonde
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 6:09:33 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "Sharing projects with other artists is pain staking."

No fooling. At the moment the Adobe Share (or whatever they call it) feature is more wishful thinking than useful application.

You haven't yet figured out the Adobe MO since creative cloud? You have to wait until the second or third re-implementation of a big, new feature before it becomes truly useful to a large number of people. Same thing applies to to new AE versions -- don't bite on the initial release. Wait until the first --or even better, the second -- major bug fix.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 6:36:17 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Same thing applies to to new AE versions -- don't bite on the initial release. Wait until the first --or even better, the second -- major bug fix.
"


After Effects feels like a constant state of bug fix. I have not upgraded to the latest version, but the relinking bug that is present in 14.2.1 is a major workflow hinderance.

In this case, while yes, there may be other bugs, I'd rather update to something that gets rid of this relink bug. Plus, other artists have already upgraded, so know I may be forced to update.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 7:19:54 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "After Effects feels like a constant state of bug fix."

Well, that's because it is. Plain 'n simple.

AE may be an industry standard, but it's not the Biggest Deal for Adobe.
For starters, there are something like twelve (just 12!) people working full-time on the application. I don't know how many people at Microsoft work on Word, but I can't help but think it's more... for a stinkin' word processor.

Adobe's more concerned about luring more people into renting its software than making the existing software more bulletproof. That's why they always come out with big, sparkly, new features with each new version of creative cloud. Never mind if they actually work well, the millenials in Digital Marketing love 'em! You may not have noticed, but there are more and more questions in this forum about automating AE work than ever before. I wonder who's behind that? It wouldn't be the folks in a company's Digital Marketing department who expect more cool-looking animations faster, now would it?

And there are now VERSIONS of creative cloud. Remember when Adobe's Big Argument for going all-rental went something like this? "Whenever we can make improvements and implement new features, we can just release them for the benefit of our Valued Customers." Remember that? Now the only things released for AE are bug fixes. Because the understaffed AE team can't keep up with the demands of creating new features AND improving existing features AND catching all the bugs they couldn't get to in the current version because of deadline pressure to get a new version out the door.

Remember when the Head After Effects Guy once asked, "Is improving AE performance the most important thing to you users?"..... and the response from almost everyone was, "Yes! YES! YES!!!"

Well, that was asked before the advent of creative cloud. And do you know what has languished since the inception of creative cloud? Improving performance. How long has that been now? Five, six years? And we're still waiting for an application that By-God Works And Does It Fast.

So you tell me who's drivin' the bus at Adobe -- the people who demand new features, or the people who'd like to build more quality into what already exists?

And there's your answer for the continual state of bug fix.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Walter Soyka
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 6:22:09 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "For those of you that need to share projects with other collaborators, how do you do it with a 10 minute relink session, and keeping project organization relatively sane?"

We store our AEPs and assets such that they always have a common relative path. Because everything in the project always follows the same relative path, no relinking is necessary, even when we go from artist to artist or platform to platform.

This shows the general idea (simplified a bit from what we actually use):

- My Organized Project
-- Assets (all assets for a project are organized within)
--- Audio
--- Image
--- Vector
--- Video
-- Working Files
--- AEP (AEPs go here)
--- C4D
--- Editorial

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive [twitter]   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 6:35:49 pm

Thanks Walter and Dave.

But this is what I don't understand. The media is organized the same in all locations, short of renaming all the drives the same name, which is impractical. No matter what, I have to relink, and everyone else has to relink. These are all offsite collaborators, this of course does not pertain to in house collaboration.

I get an Ae file from an artist, I need to relink it (or if I import their file, then it also reimports the media even though the media is already in the project, creating dupes). Any attempt to reduce those dupes is an exercise in futility, or lost organization.

Does Teams rectify this at all?


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Dave LaRonde
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 7:23:24 pm

Sorry, can't answer that. I've never been forced to use that feature. And I hope I never have to. If I am, I hope it's sufficiently far in the future where they've ironed out all the difficulties.

Yeah, I know, I'm asking for the impossible.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Walter Soyka
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 17, 2017 at 11:10:18 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "he media is organized the same in all locations, short of renaming all the drives the same name, which is impractical. No matter what, I have to relink, and everyone else has to relink. These are all offsite collaborators, this of course does not pertain to in house collaboration."

Jeremy, is the AEP located on the same volume as the footage?

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive [twitter]   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 17, 2017 at 1:46:51 pm

Most often.

Do you have any experience with Cloud Teams?


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Walter Soyka
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 17, 2017 at 3:12:03 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "Importing XMLs/projects creates all kinds of duplicate media entries in the project leading to more confusing and explodes organizational methods apart in to masses of messes."

To address this issue, try File > Dependencies > Consolidate All Footage.


[Jeremy Garchow] "Do you have any experience with Cloud Teams?"

No. We're looking at it for next year, but we haven't jumped in yet.

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive [twitter]   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 17, 2017 at 4:06:16 pm

[Walter Soyka] "To address this issue, try File > Dependencies > Consolidate All Footage. "

Right, but Ae is does not discriminate which copy of the file it takes out and it sometimes leaves all of the instances.

So, if you have a nicely organized project, it can get messy very quick, especially for the kinds of things that I have been working on lately which involves moving entire edits or parts of edits to and from After Effects.

It sounds like I am not running in to anything out of the ordinary, and it's just the way we have to work. I was indexing if Teams, which touts more collaboration, would resolve some of the relinking.

Thanks for your help,

Jeremy


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: After Effects collaboration best practices.
on Nov 16, 2017 at 6:31:21 pm

^

pain staking = painstaking


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