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Kk Akuoku
16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 2, 2015 at 3:50:37 am

This is mainly a hypothetical question/plan of action, some pieces of the technology aren't at my disposal yet, but given where its is going, I can easily imagine doing this for real in the near future:

I'm looking to replicate the look of a 1970s/1980s 16mm telecine transfer of a 35mm motion picture, much like the VHS releases or local analog TV broadcasts of a Godzilla movie during that same time period. My main tools are a hacked Nikon D5100 capable of shooting RAW video, ImpulZ LUTs, and FilmConvert.

The chief plan of action is to convert my raw files to a watchable video format with all the appropriate adjustments to color temperature, exposure, vibrance, saturation, et. al. done in ACR in AE to mimic the look of 16mm in its basic form.

Next, I color grade my main footage with ImpulZ via the Cineon conversion process, pre-comp my work, and duplicate it into Cyan, Magenta and Yellow components. From there, I mess around with Curves as well as Hue & Saturation to get the appropriate look. Finally, I export the footage into Premiere where I work with FilmConvert to apply a finishing touch of grain.

Would you guys consider this an effective plan to replicate the telecine look via digital means? If not, can any of you please offer an effective alternative?


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Chris Wright
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 3, 2015 at 3:21:04 pm

speedgrade has a 3 strip preset and 16mm had pretty large grain. are you adding tv scanlines? VHS quality is much lower. Like
420 lines. chroma damage? AE has color balance effect.

http://aescripts.com/bad-tv/

you can make your own with AE's displacement map, fractal noise, Bad TV in your animation presets, math effect slice.


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Kk Akuoku
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 3, 2015 at 4:41:15 pm

To tell you the truth, I plan on funneling the footage I made into a Newvicon-type video recorder and then feed it back to digital. And maybe I'll add a 3/2 pull down during the final export in AE. I found out that Newviconizing my footage with the pulldown added gives it a distinct, velvety look that I vividly remember from watching all those monster movies on VHS, something I don't think an AE plugin can effectively recreate.


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Chris Wright
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 3, 2015 at 5:02:19 pm

well heck, sounds good, start a business on that!


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Kk Akuoku
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 3, 2015 at 5:05:06 pm

Now the trick is to find a working Newvicon recorder.


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Kk Akuoku
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 4, 2015 at 5:14:15 am

Forgot to mention, the chief inspiration for this idea came from this thread:

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1017099#1017158


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Chris Wright
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 4, 2015 at 4:17:45 pm
Last Edited By Chris Wright on Nov 5, 2015 at 4:05:55 pm

wow, old posts, lol. I actually did finish a 3 strip process. It has sliders so you can select the exact look you want.
If I remember correctly, pushing blue into negatives made a 2 strip and hue changing the sub parts made metro color, eastman
and a bunch of other stuff. Older looks would need brown tritone tinting. There's actually an AE effect called tritone!


3 strip technicolor aep cs3
https://f1.creativecow.net/7019/7019


this 3 strip version adds tint maps to skin tones.
https://f1.creativecow.net/8358/free-star-wars-5-look-for-after-effects5


old film AE CS3
blotches,dirt specks,dirty edges,dust,exposure,flicker,hair,heavy scratches,light leaks,orange tint,time,trapped
trapped hair, vertical jitter, vertical scratches, vignette
https://f1.creativecow.net/7710/old-film


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Kk Akuoku
Re: 16mm Telecine look in AE
on Nov 5, 2015 at 2:17:39 am

Thanks. I was looking into Color Finesse, but I was put off by the price tag. Your plugins wouldn't hurt my wallet one bit!


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