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Kreatywna Krowa
I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 26, 2015 at 11:10:09 pm

Hi there!


I am using plug-in called Element 3D.
I try to do a 3D text with a shadow.
Options "Element 3D ambient Occlusion" , "drop shadow" and "radial shadow" are bad.
I need this: how make element 3D text in the same XYZ section like previous "flat 3D" text?


1. I did "track camera", then I select my tracker, click right mouse button and select "create text"







2. My text is now good, but it is lying down, so I rotate it.



3. Now I am adding my shadows automaticaly by that option which I show below. After It I have to scale up my "shadow background" to see a whole shadow.



4. After It I can see a shadow. Now I want to have that text in 3D (using "Element 3D" plugin for that).
I set "Custom layers" because it is needed etc. But look what happened, my 3D text finally appear but in completely different place.
O course, I can set different values at XYZ but it never be the same like original Text. I show it here, new 3D text appeared in a different place.







I show it on this movie


What should I do to see my new 3D Text (from Element 3D) in a the same place what my previous text?


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Kalle Kannisto
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 27, 2015 at 8:08:31 am

In Element V2 you can (and should) create the dropshadows with Element's own shadow system with a point or spot light. You will need a matte shadow plane to catch the shadows.

http://www.videocopilot.net/docs/element2/render_settings/shadows/

The key to successfully placing your Element text in 3D is to use the "Set Origin and Ground Plane" after you've tracked the footage. That way Element knows where you ground plane is, and if you place something on the Element ground plane, it will be on the footage ground plane. If you set your origin right at the location you want your text, the center of the Element coordinate system will match to it.


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Kreatywna Krowa
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 27, 2015 at 5:28:44 pm

Kalle. Is this available to do in earlier versions of Element 3D?

I need description step by step how to do it because this is too hard to me to do now without your help.
May I please to see that kind of descrpition? I would like to do it but I still can't.


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Kreatywna Krowa
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 27, 2015 at 5:31:50 pm
Last Edited By Kreatywna Krowa on Aug 27, 2015 at 7:07:48 pm

Kalle. Is this available to do in earlier versions of Element 3D?

I need description step by step how to do it because this is too hard to me to do now without your help.
May I please to see that kind of descrpition? I would like to do it but I still can't.


http://i.imgur.com/JewqicN.png


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Kalle Kannisto
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 27, 2015 at 7:39:59 pm
Last Edited By Kalle Kannisto on Aug 27, 2015 at 7:40:40 pm

Hi,

Shadows cast from lights was added in version 2.

If you have version 1, it is probably better to proceed with your original plan, just align the text properly. Here's how to do it (see image):

1) Align the origin point of the extruded text to the Element 0,0,0 point. In this case, since the text is left aligned, I've put the bottom left corner of the E3D extruded text at this spot.

2) Don't make Element a 3D layer! Element is already a 3D effect which is applied to a 2D layer.

3) Set the origin point of the replicator to the same coordinates as your original text

The Element 3D text is now in the same location as your AE 3D text.

Now you can use your shadow catcher method to create the cast shadow.



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Kreatywna Krowa
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 27, 2015 at 8:54:34 pm

Kalle, thank you so much for describing and screens.
But I don't have V2 of that plugin. I have one of earlier versions.

But i think I found a solution. But I still need some help.


Ok, I have an uptade. It looks like problem is solved.
View from a different angles was very helpful. Now I can see a true position in 3D world of my text.

In that kind of view, everything was better to understand how far from a shadow is my 3D Text layer:

http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/U4px4bk.png



Ok, I am very close. But I don't know only 1 thing.
How set my shadow below my 3D text?
On screen we can see a shadow on my 3D text layer. But that shadow is trully below in my layer window.
I set it below my 3D text and shadow still is visible on my letters. Why?



http://i.imgur.com/d3mFC6v.png


I need only this one tip.


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Kreatywna Krowa
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 27, 2015 at 9:12:59 pm
Last Edited By Kreatywna Krowa on Aug 27, 2015 at 9:36:10 pm

That post upper was written earlier. Now I try do what you showed my on screen.
Kalle, I am close but it doesn't work.

Let see how it look like. After copy and paste the same values from point you told me to do I got something like that:
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/5KnarzD.png

My 3D text from Element 3D showed near my original text but it is much smaller and even doesn't fit excatly (bu we finally can SEE it near my original text).

What I did wrong? Probably I don't understand point 1: "1) Align the origin point of the extruded text to the Element 0,0,0 point. In this case, since the text is left aligned, I've put the bottom left corner of the E3D extruded text at this spot."

Can you describe me it again in different words? There is so much to do in point 1.


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Kalle Kannisto
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 28, 2015 at 8:16:38 am

Looks like you're very close. At least the text in on the same ground plane.

There is a 0,0,0 origin point in Element, which is the middle point of the grid that you see in Element Scene Setup window. That is the point where all new extruded elements are placed by default and, more importantly, what Element uses as the replicator origin point. Thus, if you place an object at that point and set the Replicator coordinates to a specific known 3D position in the AE coordinate system, the Element object will be in the same location.

Since you have the exact location already with yout 3D text, setting the Element 3D text at the 0,0,0 point in Scene setup and setting replicator origin to the 3D text position the two will align.

Now, there are other factors involved, the most important ones being:

1) the scale of the 3D text
2) the scale of the Element text
3) the alignment of the 3D text (left, right, center)
4) the alignment point of the Element text (many options)

On the other hand, if mathematical precision is not essential, you can also just manually position the 3D object by viewing it from multiple angles, scaling it and moving it around until it aligns from all views.


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Kreatywna Krowa
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 28, 2015 at 7:40:51 pm

Kalle, thanks for your big response.
Last word was wery interesting too:
"you can also just manually position the 3D object by viewing it from multiple angles, scaling it and moving it around until it aligns from all views"

I decide to do that thing. Multiple angles view was very helpful in fact. But even after it I saw that my shadow is on my 3D text. I checked my layers but shadow on that layer menu was lower then my 3D text. So? What is going on?
Why shadow is visible on my 3D text at all?

Just see THAT screen and you will see what I am talking about: http://i.imgur.com/d3mFC6v.png

Do you have any idea what happend? Why my shadow is above my 3D text? And how to repair it?


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Kalle Kannisto
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 28, 2015 at 8:42:17 pm

Hi,

Ok good, you have it in the right place now.

Element doesn't actually interact with other layers in 3D. To put the shadow behing the Element text you need to put the Element layer above the (text and) shadow layers in the layer stack. That way it renders on top of it, not below.


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Kreatywna Krowa
Re: I need some tips for creating shadow of 3D Text
on Aug 30, 2015 at 9:54:50 pm

Thanks for your help. I spend many hours but finally did it.
A different angles view was very helpful in this case
http://i.imgur.com/TH5I0DB.png
I finally set a scene like I want.

Thank you again.


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