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Randy Burleson
AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 10, 2011 at 5:32:15 pm

I am intrigued by the AG-AC160 that Panasonic just released. But I have read some things about the AVCHD format that worry me a bit. Particularly the time that it takes to transfer and convert to ProRes before you edit with it. I've read that it is a painfully slow conversion time. How much time will I lose in this process compared to transferring P2 for example?
What is the transfer rate? How fast could I move an hours worth of footage (highest bit rate) and convert to ProRes 422?


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Erik Naso
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 10, 2011 at 5:45:02 pm

I find no difference working with AVCHD or AVCintra compared to anything else I have used with Final Cut Pro 7 log and transfer to ProRes 422. Not sure about Premiere Pro or Avid.

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Uli Plank
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 10, 2011 at 6:37:20 pm

AVCHD works very smooth under Premiere Pro CS 5.5.

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Randy Burleson
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 10, 2011 at 6:41:23 pm

Does anyone have any real world time estimates for transfer and conversion to ProRes 422 of an hours worth of high bit rate footage? I am thinking an Atomos Ninja or Samurai as an addition might save me a ton of time.


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Harry Pallenberg
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 11, 2011 at 10:39:13 pm

Never actually timed it, but faster than digitizing from tape! If I had to guess, I'd say I just did a 20minute clip in about 10 minutes?

Also in FCP 7 you can continue editing while the log & transfer is happening, so as soon as 1 clip is in you can start working while the others come in. That alone makes it fairly painless. Obviously you'll suck up a lot more drive space...

I can;t wait for those new Panny cameras to come out.

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Randy Burleson
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47:25 pm

Yeah now, I am really considering the HPX 250 and a ATOMOS Samurai or Black Magic Hyperdeck Shuttle recorder. I think overall it's going to be cheaper to buy hard drives than P2 cards, plus I can edit right away and not have to transfer or encode anything ( although I will transfer for safety) . The HPX 250 like the HPX 370 has 10 bit HD-SDI out.
I know it's a shame not to use the AVC Intra 100 but 10 bit to PRO RES or Uncompressed QT in the case of the Hyperdeck Shuttle is still GREAT! I think that is going to make the most sense for us.


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Rafael Amador
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 12, 2011 at 8:55:30 am

AVCHD, at least in FC, is a disgrace.
The need to convert AVCHD stuff to Prores just to make it editable, is inadmissible.
I've been editing native for 25 years and I will try to keep doing so.
I'm editing XDCAM in FC; if I was editing AVCHD I would go PP.
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Jeremy Cole
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Aug 24, 2011 at 8:30:01 pm

I use ClipWrap to get the footage quickly into FCP. Works great. Log and Transfer works too, but takes longer. AVID does not appear to have an AMA connection to get AVCHD footage into it. Too bad, because I am sold on AMA. Works great for P2 and XDCAM.

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Christopher Coffyn
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Nov 22, 2011 at 3:22:49 am

We recently received our AG-AC160P and have been using FCP7 and testing FCPX and Premiere Pro CS5.5. I have done a few test edits with AVCHD only in FCPX and Premiere. I use J,K,L a lot to shuttle around and found the native AVCHD in FCPX to be very challenging, jerky...finally had it convert to prores proxy. That was pretty fast and worked generally well. Then I did the same in Premiere (native AVCHD) and found it much smoother except when trying to shuttle backwards quickly.

This was on a MacBook Pro, i7 with 4 gigs of memory and an external firewire 800 drive (7200 rpm, WD Caviar Black)


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Randy Burleson
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Nov 22, 2011 at 3:51:26 pm

I just came across this after reading a review on Ken Stone's website.
http://www.divergentmedia.com/clipwrap

it rewraps the mts files as QT movies and voila you're good to go.



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Christopher Coffyn
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Nov 5, 2012 at 6:33:44 pm

We are not transcoding our AVCHD footage. We edit natively on both a MacBook Pro and MacPro. I was doing some transcoding to prores with Prelude initially and via FCPX when we were testing that software and decided it was one step we could easily pass on since we decided on CS6 Production bundle/Premiere for our editing.

We loaded up both computers with ram and have fast RAID drives via eSATA and that works really well. True that I can't shuttle back and forth as fast as I can with ProRes, etc, but at least on the Adobe side it's one less step. However, if we had chosen FCPX I might transcode to ProRes proxy since it is so easy to do and also relink back to the original files. My 2 cents worth anyway.


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Guy McLoughlin
Re: AVCHD workflow: is it a PITA?
on Nov 8, 2012 at 6:02:25 pm

There is nothing wrong with the AVCHD format, it's a great compact acquisition format when shooting video.

The problem lies with Final Cut Pro, which cannot work efficiently with the AVCHD format.

Switch to a more up to date NLE like Premiere CS6 for the Mac, or Sony Vegas Pro for the PC, and you will find that the AVCHD format works great.


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