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Mark Turner
HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Aug 19, 2009 at 4:04:56 am

B&H are recommending I buy Cineform Neo Scene to convert my HMC150 output for Final Cut Pro.

Has anyone any experience of this?

I am using FCP 7 and currently logging and transferring to prores.

Would this save me a significant amount of space? Has anyone any experience of this?

Thanks!


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Noah Kadner
Re: HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Aug 19, 2009 at 8:31:19 am

Personally I think it's kinda pointless. Cineform is a fine codec and all but IMHO offers little or no improvement over ProRes. And you'll lose the advantage of a free (well free with FCP), built-in codec that everyone else using the software already has.

Noah

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Mark Turner
Re: HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Aug 19, 2009 at 5:05:14 pm

Thank you; this is helpful advice.

I guess the main question was whether the file sizes would be smaller.

The way I understand it, Neoscene turns the files into .mov, while FCP into prores. Is there a difference?

(All this tech is a little overwhelming! At least I already have something that is working for me, just not sure whether I am doing it the most efficient way, or with sufficient quality.


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Noah Kadner
Re: HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Aug 20, 2009 at 7:42:51 am

Cineform/Neoscene is a codec. ProRes is a codec. Both are codecs that exist within QuickTime .MOV files. Any file that is smaller is also lower quality, despite advertising to the contrary. Like I said, I personally think ProRes is perfect for HMC150 editing and Cineform completely superfluous. But then again, I'm not trying to make a sale... :)

Noah

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Gord Stephen
Re: HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Aug 20, 2009 at 5:50:27 pm

Hey Mark,

I use CineForm to edit HMC150 footage and love it - but I'm editing with Premiere on a PC. If I was using FCP I would definitely just be sticking to ProRes (unless I needed to send files between a Mac and a PC).

You probably could get smaller files than ProRes using a lower quality CineForm setting - but as Noah said, at that point you're probably sacrificing image quality, at least to some degree. And that AVCHD footage has been through enough already... Storage space is pretty cheap these days anyways.

Gord


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Mark Turner
Re: HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Aug 24, 2009 at 4:42:23 pm

Thank you - all helpful responses.


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Isaac Brillant
Re: HMC150 Cineform Neo Scene
on Dec 29, 2009 at 12:40:53 am

I've read that the bit rate decreases from 24 mb/s to 7 mb/s when you transcode from AVCHD to ProRes. Is this true? And if it is true, does this result in loss of quality?

Another question - Lets say I transcode to Prores or to Cineform-- and after completing the project I archive and backup the original small AVCHD and trash the larger unused Prores files...

If at a later point I want to reconnect to some of the offline (now trashed) prores clips, can I re-transcode the AVCHD clips to Prores, and will it have the same timecode and name as it had the first time around?

Thanks!

Isaac


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