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Hong Tang
Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 13, 2011 at 2:29:13 am

Hi All,

I just got my HPX3100 last week, love it until when i try to put on the Chrosziel LWS for Panasonic Universal (401-89) which i use for the HPX2000 and HDX900. It won't fit due to the different designs of the camera. Can someone please point me to the right direction? I can't shoot without filters!!! Thank you.

Cheers,
KH


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Allen Sandrow
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 13, 2011 at 1:52:02 pm

KH, we found the same issue. We own four of the new 3100's. Luv them. You need to order the Chrosziel 401-89B or see this link http://store.zacuto.com/Zephyr300.html) . We purchased the Chrosziel's.

Allen M. Sandrow
Equipment Manager
NFL Films

Allen M. Sandrow
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NFL Films
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Hong Tang
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 14, 2011 at 3:41:48 am

Thanks for you info Allen, I guess I will go for the Chrosziel. You make my day :)

Cheers,
KH


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Allen Sandrow
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 14, 2011 at 11:14:41 am

KH, let me know how you like the 3100.
Thanks,
Allen

Allen M. Sandrow
Equipment Manager
NFL Films
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Mount Laurel, NJ 08054
Direct (856) 222-3583
Cell (609) 760-3610


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Phil Yunker
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 15, 2011 at 12:35:32 am

Allen and KH, how do you like the 3100? I have been going around in circles about a new camera and the 3100 is on the list. I take it you don't care bout the lack of 720p?
Thanks.

PHIL

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Hong Tang
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 15, 2011 at 4:32:06 am

Hi Allen and Phil,

It is still too early for me to really give a detailed comment on the 3100 as we are very busy with projects when the camera reached our hand. Anyway, these are the first impressions:
On the appearance, it is smaller, lighter, come in "cooler" black color, and well, more plastic feel to it compared to 2000 and HDX900. We also like the SDI IN that comes as standard, a better looking LCD screen and the 5.6K filter instead of the 3.2K cross filter.

As for the picture quality, it's a big WOW in our office, sharper, much cleaner than the 2000 (on a Pana BT-LH2600 monitor), and you can even dial in -6dB. But I am not too sure how the 3100 compete with the Sony equivalent in this respect, anyone?

The fact that it doesn't do 720P is not bothering us as we are still keeping the 2000.

Allen, what on-camera mic do you couple with the cam, do you use the Pana AJ-MC900? I have a Sanken CMS-10 now but would like to know if i have more alternatives. Thanks.

Cheers,
KH


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Phil Yunker
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 15, 2011 at 4:42:27 am

KH
What lens do you have on the 3100?

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Hong Tang
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 15, 2011 at 4:46:10 am

Phil,

Canon HJ22ex7.6 Standard, HJ11ex4.7 Wide, HJ15ex8.5 with image stabilizer on the way.

Cheers,
KH


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Allen Sandrow
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 16, 2011 at 10:20:14 am

Phil and KH, we are a 1080 house only with limited acceptance of 720p. We shoot all our interviews with this camera in 1080, 23.98p. So the 3100 is perfect for us. We do not use any on-board mics. Our sound department takes care of all audio to the camera. In fact, we did not purchase any on-board mics for the cameras. We use both Fuji 22x7.8 or 23x7.6 HD standard lenses and Fuji 13x4.5 or 14x4.5 HD wide angles.

Allen

Allen M. Sandrow
Equipment Manager
NFL Films
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Mount Laurel, NJ 08054
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Cell (609) 760-3610


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Phil Yunker
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 16, 2011 at 2:11:59 pm

Allen,
thanks for the info. Do you guys also use the 2700 P2 VariCam? Are you seeing more places get away from 720P, especially now that there are more affordable cameras out there shooting in 1080P?
I'm on the verge of buying a 2700 or 3100.

PHIL

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Allen Sandrow
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 16, 2011 at 8:31:02 pm

Phil, we don't use 720p much at all. We occassionally use it with our HVX, 1080 is our defacto format. We wanted a native 1080 camera, not one that up converts from 720p.

Allen

Allen M. Sandrow
Equipment Manager
NFL Films
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Mount Laurel, NJ 08054
Direct (856) 222-3583
Cell (609) 760-3610


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Robin Probyn
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 16, 2011 at 10:30:45 am

Im also thinking to get this camera.. did you get the new Pana viewfinder with it too.. the BW one..
Any negative feelings at all..

Thanks



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Allen Sandrow
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 16, 2011 at 10:35:29 am

Robin, we bought the color viewfinder with the camera. Our crews were so used to the Sony color viewfinders on the F900's and F900R's. The color viewfinder is OK. It is not as good as the Sony's. Our crews are getting used to them, but it is an on-going process. We did not consider the B&W's. One other thing about the 3100's, there is not a LUT in the eyepiece. You are always looking at a Flat Film Rec image. This is different from the 3700, in which you can apply a LUT to the viewfinder.

Allen

Allen M. Sandrow
Equipment Manager
NFL Films
One NFL Plaza
Mount Laurel, NJ 08054
Direct (856) 222-3583
Cell (609) 760-3610


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Robin Probyn
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 16, 2011 at 9:56:21 pm

Hi Allen

Thanks for the info.. but what is an LUT for the eye piece.. have never come across this term..?

Any other pro,s con,s re the 3100.. except ofcourse the incredible price ?

What are your crews using for downloading in the field? if they ever do that..

Thanks again



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Wolf Austad
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 17, 2011 at 8:25:22 pm

About the VF for 3100:

I've used both the Color and the BW Viewfinder on the 3700. Since the 3100 became available, I've only used the Color Viewfinder. The Color VF is good for focus (compared to other electronic VFs, which all leave a lot to be wanted, imho...). The BW Viewfinder does not allow you to judge focus with a reasonable precision. That also seems to be the opinion of other DPs and operators I've talked with who have used both on everything from newsy stuff to episodic TV to feature films. That being said: Some people use the BW VF and are happy with it (or they find workarounds).

About the 'LUT' in the 3700/2700:

The 'LUT' in the 3700 (and 2700) seems to be a gamma change that emulates a REC709 look in the VF when recording flat FilmRec (could be something more advanced, but I don't know...). It's ok to have as it helps me not get too used to the flat image, and important to be aware of, particularly if you use external recorders since it's also active on the output. Although for 3100 work I haven't really missed it much since most of my clients who want flat FilmRec/S-log/C-log/log-this-log-that for post color correction pretty much all prefer single chip larger imager these days.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Aasulv Wolf Austad, fnf
Director of Photography
Los Angeles based


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Robin Probyn
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 18, 2011 at 12:18:56 am

Hi Wolf

Thanks for your reply.I have a HDX900 and the BW viewfinder was one of the few things I didnt like about the camera,compared to the Sony VF on my digibeta 790.But have got used to it over the years.

I read that a new BW VF had come out with the 3100,although the older model (HDX900) would also work..
great I thought.. a new camera.. AND a better BW VF.. :) just wondered if anyone has used this new model BW finder yet.. Abel cine posted a video a while back saying it really was much better than previous model..



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Wolf Austad
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 18, 2011 at 7:10:36 am

Thanks Robin,

Yes, I was referring to the older B/W viewfinder, probably same thing you have on your HDX900. Good to know there's a better one out there now. Still sort of puzzles me that in 2011 the VF on my old Arriflex 16SR from the 1970s feels better than the new electronic stuff. Amazing what 35 years of progress can do... ;-)

Aasulv Wolf Austad, fnf
Director of Photography
Los Angeles based


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Robin Probyn
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 18, 2011 at 11:49:35 am

Hi Wolf

Yes Im pretty sure there was a new one this year.. making the 3100 look even more like what I wanted.
Small-ish ,very good price,64 GB cards that got cheaper.. and added bonus a decent VF..!!



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Phil Yunker
Re: Chrosziel LWT For Panasonic (401-89) Won't Fit on HPX3100
on Jun 19, 2011 at 9:03:06 pm

You folks using the 3100, how do you like it, how's the image and what types of projects are you working on? Why did you choose the 3100 over say a 2700 or 3700, 3000...of course the price is a factor, what else?
Thanks.

PHIL

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