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Dave Gorrie
HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 11, 2010 at 10:25:42 pm

Hi All,

I thought for sure I could figure this out, but I'm a little stuck. We had some footage shot, and halfway through the day the camera guy realized he was shooting 23.98pA - and then switched over to 23.98N. We'd like to work at everything in 23.98 (either in an Avid or FCP), but this little hitch is throwing us for a loop!

Any thoughts on the best way to work this out? Worst case scenario we just work at everything in 59.94 in FCP in realtime - but it's a shame we have to do that just because 20% of our footage is all messed up.

Thanks,
Dave







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Noah Kadner
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 11, 2010 at 11:12:54 pm

Sure most NLEs support automated pulldown removal of 24pA footage- check out your manual.

Noah

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Michael Sacci
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 12:20:01 am

There is no 720 24pA, there is 720 24p and 24pN, the 24p extra frames can really be removed with log and transfer.


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Shane Ross
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 12:25:26 am

24pA is an option at 1080 only. 720 offers 24p, meaning 24 frames in a 60 frame stream, or 24pN, meaning it shoots 24 ACTUAL fps...at 23.98.

There is no such thing as 720p 24pA...or 23.98pA.


Shane



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Noah Kadner
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 12:54:08 am

Yeah I thought something sounded weird there- you would want to switch to CinemaTools if what you have is 24p over 60i.

Noah

Check out my book: RED: The Ultimate Guide to Using the Revolutionary Camera!
Unlock the secrets of 24p, HD and Final Cut Studio with Call Box Training. Featuring the Sony EX1 Guidebook, Panasonic HVX200, Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Canon 7D.
Watch Formosa- My indie movie shot with the SDX900 and finished with Final Cut Studio.


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Dave Gorrie
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 1:28:35 am

Ahh, thanks guys - I knew I was banging my head up against the wall for some reason!

It's definitely the 24p in a 60i stream - I don't know why I was thinking it was pA. I've tried to fix it in cinema tools, but didn't fair so well. My reverse telecine option is greyed out...but I think that's because it's 59.94, not 29.97.









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Shane Ross
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 1:30:11 am

Yeah, Cinema Tools cannot remove pulldown from 59.94...only 29.97.

BUT....look in the TOOLS menu in FCP. DVCPRO HD FRAME RATE CONVERTER will get you to 23.98 if you want.


Shane



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Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Dave Gorrie
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 1:54:17 am

Hey Shane - I tried that too - footage get's very, very studdery. Even if I uncheck remove duplicate frames (then I just get a clip that's slo-mo)...I get nothing really usable!

I figured I'd check here, you all run into this stuff more then I do! I really appreciate the insight you all offer on here!







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Tom Brooks
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 1:15:30 am

Dave, I don't see a big problem here. If your DP shot 23.98pA, it's 1080pA23,98. Log and Transfer this with pulldown removal checked (the default setting). The captured clips are perfectly compatible with 720pN24 clips. Just scale them to fit the timeline (probably happens by default) and render if necessary.

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Noah Kadner
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 1:51:25 am

Tom- see above posts...24pA does not exist in 720 on the HVX200.

Noah

Check out my book: RED: The Ultimate Guide to Using the Revolutionary Camera!
Unlock the secrets of 24p, HD and Final Cut Studio with Call Box Training. Featuring the Sony EX1 Guidebook, Panasonic HVX200, Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Canon 7D.
Watch Formosa- My indie movie shot with the SDX900 and finished with Final Cut Studio.


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Tom Brooks
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 2:03:25 am

Yah, I know. I guess I believed the OP when he said pA, which would IMPLY 1080. In retrospect, that was a poor assumption. I'll be quiet now.


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Noah Kadner
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 3:17:04 am

Ha- same one I made- don't feel bad.

Noah

Check out my book: RED: The Ultimate Guide to Using the Revolutionary Camera!
Unlock the secrets of 24p, HD and Final Cut Studio with Call Box Training. Featuring the Sony EX1 Guidebook, Panasonic HVX200, Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Canon 7D.
Watch Formosa- My indie movie shot with the SDX900 and finished with Final Cut Studio.


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Dave Gorrie
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 12, 2010 at 12:13:20 pm

Yes, my bad - I really shouldn't go around making up formats like that!

Up next, my question about that new fangled ProRes MPEG2 format :)







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Marcus van Bavel
Re: HVX200A - 720/23.98pA footage - any hope of converting to real 23.976?
on May 14, 2010 at 3:13:08 pm

You might look at MXFX which can remove most types of pulldown (normal and advanced) from P2 footage, preserves metadata and timecode, etc. and does not have the limitations of cinematools, see http://dvfilm.com/MXFX





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