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Michael Sacci
New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 5:56:48 am

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prModelDetail?storeId=1...

I really like Panasonic most of the time but I have to scratch my head on this. Maybe I'm wrong here but this thing is going to be slow. USB 2 is about 1 GB/min transfer. I see that it uses 2 USB connections so unless they are doubling that speed but my thinking they are drawing power from one. I know they were going for the most common port but it at least needs to be FW800. And I'm going to grip about the price. Unfortunately it is pretty much the only sub $1000 thing coming out.



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Noah Kadner
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 2:07:21 pm

You are pretty much correct. Give me an eSATA reader for $200 and I'd be ecstatic....

Noah

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 4:39:19 pm

Hey, people bitched and moaned for a cheap one card reader from Panasonic and they got it.

Has anyone got their hands on a Qio yet? I am so damn curious.

Jeremy


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Noah Kadner
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 6:49:24 pm

I don't know if I'd call it bitching and moaning- this was desperately needed...


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 7:00:26 pm

[Noah Kadner] "I don't know if I'd call it bitching and moaning"

Anyone who shoots P2 can spend the $2k for the excellent 5 card reader. Seriously.

It's cheaper than a deck.


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Noah Kadner
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 8:02:59 pm

I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather keep 2 grand in their pocket though... I mean it's a media reader. I like the nice CF card ones that cost $30....

Noah

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Dan Brockett
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 8:09:36 pm

I agree with your take on it Michael.

I think the solution is going to be buy two 64 GB cards, shoot all day with them and use the camera to dump the cards after the shoot. I don't like dumping cards while shooting anyway, unless I have a P2 data wrangler on set.

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Jeff Regan
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 8:40:51 pm

I've got a Mac G4 to read cards for our HPX170(along with the hateful Duel Adapter for client's computers), MacBook Pro with PCD20 5-card reader for our HPX2700. As a rental house, it would be great if the client would pay to rent the PCD20--not likely. We will buy the PCD2 for the HPX170, I'm pretty sure. Even the Qio is a bit pricey for a $4K camera, certainly couldn't justify sending a PCD20 out with a 170 for no extra charge.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 5, 2010 at 8:43:07 pm

The PCD20 is the first step in getting organized with p2.

Also, with multiple p2 camera shoots, a 1 slot reader just can't cut it.



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Michael Sacci
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 7, 2010 at 6:36:34 am

For me the speed is even more disappointing then the cost (but I'm with Noah, this is just a card reader, why so much?).

The Sonnet product is really promising. I understand the extra cost there, there are a lot of benefits to it.



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Jeremy Garchow
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 8, 2010 at 5:19:57 pm

[Michael Sacci] "but I'm with Noah, this is just a card reader, why so much?"

I don't think it's just a passive card reader. There are drivers that are written along side of it that cost money to make and I'm sure specialized parts/chips inside that also add to the cost. Ever wonder why the duel never really worked? There was never software to take full advantage of it. It's the same with the PCD20, that thing works, and works really really well as it is officially supported by Panasonic and all that comes with that.

As we all know, P2 cards aren't generic, off the shelf media.



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Aideen Johnston
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 13, 2010 at 1:03:11 am

CF card readers at $30?


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Steve Eisen
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 6, 2010 at 12:15:04 am

Waiting for an NAB special for the Qio.

Steve Eisen
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Bryan DiCerb
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 17, 2010 at 7:16:45 pm

I finally receive mine and it works great. Haven't had a Duel Adapter Kernel Attack yet with it.

I've used both P2 slots, I've renamed, copied and formatted cards.

Comes with a case and several plug adapters for different countries.




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Jeremy Garchow
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 17, 2010 at 7:17:35 pm

[Bryan DiCerb] "I finally receive mine and it works great. "

What, the Qio?


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Bryan DiCerb
Re: New P2 reader
on Mar 17, 2010 at 7:32:02 pm

Yeah, I replied to you in the other thread.....



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Wolf Austad
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on Mar 6, 2010 at 7:06:05 pm

If the test speed I've heard from this new Panasonic USB 2 reader is correct it will max out the USB 2 port on any Mac, and that is faster than what I've been getting with a PCD20 or a HPG-20 or HPM110 or.....

Sonnet has posted speed numbers for the Qio on their web site. From what I understand those numbers are pretty real. The limitation for P2 apparently being that a standard PCMCIA port can't go any faster with a P2 card, E-series or not. Panasonic uses custom chipsets for their readers, hence why f.ex. a PCD35 is faster. Verification readback should be very fast with the Qio, so it's still possible the Qio could be the fastest solution for P2 download with the current generation Macbook Pro.

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