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Scott Bell
convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 17, 2008 at 2:53:31 pm

We're wrestling with both P2 and XDCam formats right now. Our house format is XD, so we have XD disc's and XD recorder/players. Our freelancer shoots P2.

I'm looking for a way to convert P2 to XDCam for storage, so that we end up with P2 files living on a loggable, set it on the shelf, XDCam disc.

The most ideal solution for us is a software converter that can live on a regular old PC and doesn't involve an edit bay. I haven't found one of these, so I'm asking if any of you have seen or tried one.

Other ideas under consideration are: getting a P2 "deck" and dubbing footage to XDCam discs.....and...yeah, well, I think there were more ideas, they just aren't coming back to me now.


Additional workflow info: we're avid (nitris?) based, we receive P2 footage on portable USB drives, we've been logging P2 with P2CMS.


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Bjoern Adamski
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 17, 2008 at 10:19:00 pm

Hi Scott,

we will release the 1.1 version of MXF4QT Export next week.

MXF4QT Export allows exporting to standard MXF OP1a D10/IMX (XDCAM compatible).

One new feature of v1.1 is NTSC support for all IMX variations (30, 40, 50 Mb/s).

You can use MXF4QT Import with P2 Flow CM to natively import your P2 footage to FCP just within seconds per P2 card. You can then use MXF4QT Export to export to standard OP1a MXF.

You can contact us for details.

Best
Bjoern

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Scott Bell
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 17, 2008 at 10:29:08 pm

That might be the perfect thing. Will there be a demo available for download? And can you shoot me an email when the new version is released next week?



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Bjoern Adamski
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 17, 2008 at 10:30:41 pm

Just contact us via the website and I put you on the notification list.

http://mxf4mac.com/contact


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Noah Kadner
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:31:47 pm

Have you considered a much less compressed format for your archives like ProRes? Leaves you much more signal compared to a transcode to XDCAM...

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Bjoern Adamski
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 18, 2008 at 9:44:19 pm


It's not only about the best compression type, it's about the most common standard. In many cases broadcasters require delivery in MXF OP1a D10/IMX.

MXF OP1a D10/IMX (SMPTE 386M) has nearly become a world-wide broadcast standard for SD. Quite all major broadcasters use it for archiving as it's the most supported native and conversion-free SD format e.g. for use with ingest, archive and playout systems. The specifications and recommendations in the SMPTE 386M document are very strict and guarantee compatibility. Regarding this ProRes would be too exotic to interchange with broadcasters.

Best
Bjoern

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Scott Bell
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:08:53 pm

We're on avid systems, and I know less than very little about them. I do know that we are running into issues when we have to use the same P2 footage on multiple projects...something about Avid associating the P2 with the first project and then being a big headache on subsequent new projects.

That, and having XDCam in house, is why we're looking to "convert" P2 to XD. Instead of logging and using P2, we would immediately convert it to XD, put it on an XDCam disc, and then log and use that converted XD footage.



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Bjoern Adamski
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:44:55 pm

Hm, this doesn't sound like a perfect workflow.

There is one killer feature with P2 media in FCP and Avid. P2 is the only format that retains untouched when imported by Avid. You need to destroy the original P2 CONTENTS folder structure when moving or copying the blank MXFs to the Avid media bin and this means FCP's Log and Transfer as well as other tools and NLEs can't read them anymore. However the MXFs themselves are not changed and this allows our MXF4QT solution to still read them including original timecode and full spanned clip support.

Panasonic P2 is the only format that can be used between Avid and FCP. This does not only allow a shared storage workflow but also establishes the first shared media access between FCP and Avid! It's the first time that both NLEs can work on the same files.

In terms of XDCAM we have also full support for it natively in FCP, FC Server and other applications. The situation with Avid is that XDCAM is OP1a (video and audio in one file) and Avid will convert the media to OP-Atom (separate video and audio files). This will create Avid MXF files which contain the Avid specific MXF structure that is very different from other common MXF standards. However native P2 and native XDCAM work greatly together in FCP and when keeping the original MXFs you have formats that work for both Avid and FCP. Using MOVs wouldn't work with your Avids anymore.

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Scott Bell
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 20, 2008 at 5:58:57 pm

I agree that this workflow is far from perfect. Avid gets no love from me, I haven't touched one in 10 years. But in this situation I'm just a producer, and our full staff is looking for a workflow solution. That's why I'm curious about your Export product. If it can turn p2 into XDCam compatible files, and then we can read those converted files and write them to an xdcam disk, we will suddenly have a workflow where it's piecemeal at best right now. We've invested in XDcam cameras and players, but our freelancer shoots p2 and we're only going to be seeing more p2 as time goes by, so we need to figure out how to make both formats work for us.



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Bjoern Adamski
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Oct 20, 2008 at 6:16:28 pm

I will send you the exporter soon.

However I would import the P2 media directly into Avid instead converting it to XDCAM. Like I said, both Avid and FCP can work with the native P2 files, Avid by nature, FCP via our MXF4QT Import solution.

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Cal Gordon
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Dec 10, 2008 at 3:30:09 am

Hi there,

I was wondering if you or anyone has a solution for my problem. Basically, I'm unable to transfer some of my clips from the "Log and Transfer" window to the "Browser" window. Whenever I Add some of these clips (through Add Selection/Clip to Queue), the orange (!) comes up.

I've shot my footage using a Panasonic HVX200, and my Mac and software are as follows:

FCP 6.0.1
QT 7.5
Mac 10.4.11 (2.16 GHz IntelCore Duo)

I've tried to download Sony's XDCAM's Transfer Utility 1.0 but unfortunately it requires FCP 6.0.3. I'm not even sure it will work.

If anyone has a suggestion, please let me know as I'm stuck editing my piece. Again, this only happens for some of the clips, while others do transfer just fine.

Thanks very much!




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Bjoern Adamski
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Dec 10, 2008 at 7:36:02 am

XDCAM Transfer only works with Sony XDCAM footage, not with P2.

Try updating to the latest FCP 6.0.5.

Check also this tutorial about our native P2 MXF support with P2 Flow CM:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/garchow_jeremy/dvc_pro_hd.php


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Cal Gordon
Re: convert P2 to XDCam for storage?
on Dec 12, 2008 at 3:05:50 am

Thanks for responding.

Good news is that I finally figured out the "log and transfer" problem in FCP! It's very simple as it turns out. The name for the takes should not be more than 26 characters! When I shortened the names I had originally had given, the clips transferred just fine!

The irony of all ironies is that FCP allows the editor to name the takes with more than 26 characters, only for him to find out later that it won't work. If that's going to be the issue, FCP should just not let the editor type in anything longer than what's permitted.

OMG! Who would have thought?!?! :-)


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