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Pixel Monkey
Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 26, 2005 at 5:18:09 pm


Demo reels. Baaahh humbug.

Apply for an editing gig at Time Warner, and they ask for "Trailer Work ONLY" or "Feature Work ONLY". Apply at a post house and they want "Corporate and Commercial ONLY". Doc folks want the Ken Burns stuff. Indie filmmakers want the artsy stuff. Recently I've noticed a growing population asking for "no edited montages" (which I agree with). A lot of others refuse to watch demos on the web because they want to do all their screening on one TV.

The efficiency expert in me screams to create one long reel and disregard their requests. The neurotic perfectionist in me refuses to hand the reel over to the FedEx guy until every frame, dissolve, effect and cut has been jockeyed perfectly. Both MUST be wrong, so there must be some way to merge the two. Last year I created my mega-monsterous DVD, which had everything. I thought it was cool because it was a simply-designed interface that allowed people to do their own segregating. Nope. They became faced with "over-choice".

So here's an idea - whaddo'ya think?...
1.) At the end of an edit, create a full-res Quicktime file of the finished product.
2.) Keep 'em all on some external hard drive.
3.) When specific requests come in for reels, burn only what they need to a DVD.

Not sure what non-editing-system DVD programs are out there that create DVDs you can watch on a consumer DVD through a TV though. However, this would cut down tremendously of the hours of time it takes to create a demo.


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Brian24DP
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 26, 2005 at 7:59:15 pm

Honestly... I get a lot of requests to view work online... Its faster for everyone, the company or producer hiring you can instantly see you work. I point them to either my DP reel or Editing/GFX reel depending on the gig. If they then want to see entire peices of my work and not a montauge- i have the full peices on my website as well.
Works for me. I just dont have the time to make separate things and different dvds.

good luck
b


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Ryan Osika
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 26, 2005 at 11:05:09 pm

Brian,

What is your website? Would you mind if I checked it out to get some ideas? I have been considering whehter to put whole pieces on the website or not. Any suggestions on exporting material for web, especially long pieces like 30 minutes in length. Thanks very much.

Ryan


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person
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 27, 2005 at 1:45:27 pm

having the work at your disposal to create custom reels is really the best thing you can do. and is really simple. only give them what they want, or they won't watch it. there are PLENTY of other reels to look at.

i completely agree about not having a montage UNLESS you are a motion graphics person. then it's pretty standard because so much of their work is in bits and pieces. i would also add that the motion graphics person should include at least 3 pieces that play out in their original form (spots for example) so they can see how you use your graphics talents to tie in with the work. if it's an editor reel, then skip the montage. the only time i have seen a montage used well for an editors reel is if the editor has done so much great well known work that it's worth a 'recap' to show the breadth of experience. montages get in the way of what really matters on many reels, the work by itself. if it's great, then it's great. if it's bad, then don't put it on the reel. even if you end up with two to three pieces. YES!

i wouldn't have a long reel. or a reel with many options. make it so the dvd just plays when putting it in the machine. not even a 'push play' menu! no way. these folks have hours and hours of other reels to look through. keep it short and sweet. 4-7 minutes tops. if you are able to pitch yourself effectively in that time frame, that says a lot about you. have several people you respect look at your long reel and ask them what to lose to make it shorter and in what order. to have a long reel is kind of boastful. and you are asking a lot from the viewer's bizzy schedule if you do want a long reel, it better be really top notch stuff for them to be witnessing or you're a gonner.

good luck.
person




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Ryan Osika
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 27, 2005 at 3:09:47 pm

Hey Person, thanks. Great advice.


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Ryan Koo
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 28, 2005 at 6:59:11 pm

That's good advice, but I find myself in a problematic situation--I'm somewhat of a jack-of-all trades, in that I edit, I shoot, and I do motion graphics. So on my reel, which is almost finished, EVERYTHING was shot AND edited AND composited by me. But if someone asked for "just the motion graphics," I wouldn't have much to show. Same goes for any one area, really--I've done a lot of stuff, but only taken as whole--individually each reel would be weak.

Does anyone think it's advantageous to show that you can do many things, or do producers really just want specialized-in-one-field people?


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Rich Rubasch
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Oct 29, 2005 at 3:47:15 pm

I create an MPEG-2 file and an AC3 audio file and keep them on a separate hard drive. I have several DVD templates that are easlily modified for the application. I just drop in the clips that fit and they go on a DVD. Has worked for me.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media


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Pixel Monkey
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Nov 4, 2005 at 12:11:10 pm

Ryan-

Totally depends on the gig you're looking at. More and more I'm seeing "...will shoot, edit and After Effects knowledge a plus..." on job descriptions. Hell there are some places that want you to produce, light 'n shoot, edit, author the DVD and distribute it - all while entertaining their clients.

You know why? 'Cuz there's folks out there that'll do it. I'm trying my damndest to be more specialized (I'm a mid-sized fish in a small market), but if I try to relocate...

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max Hoffmann
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Nov 8, 2005 at 5:16:50 am

great observation. I started as a videographer, switched to editing and directed stuff my self.
My first reels were to long, so I went to trailers, cut everything down to 30 secs and now i hear, that I am not long enough. Oh I have graphics too, designed my sound as well. Too much. "You have to be specific, a specialist". But then how can I when I ma starting out and have no graphic, sound, camera, director ecetera to give me footage or finsih sound/graphics....thats why I called my website everythingmax.com. yes did almost everything myself but then if you want me too do editing, fine....endless.
But you piece hits the nerve/nail of a coming up digital generation. cpu's are to make many task in one, so we go back to renaisance people who can/have to do many tasks. is it better? who knows, nobody is perfect.


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person
Re: Am I neurotic, or is it just me?
on Nov 8, 2005 at 3:47:36 pm

"But then how can I when I ma starting out and have no graphic, sound, camera, director ecetera to give me footage or finsih sound/graphics....thats why I called my website everythingmax.com. yes did almost everything myself but then if you want me too do editing, fine....endless.
But you piece hits the nerve/nail of a coming up digital generation. cpu's are to make many task in one, so we go back to renaisance people who can/have to do many tasks. is it better? who knows, nobody is perfect. "

you have a valid point. but to 'do it yourself' is re-inventing the wheel. this industry is very similar to building houses. and having one inexperienced person build a house is asking for disaster. sure cpu's and technology are making it possible for anyone to give it a shot. think of it this way, did the invention of the nail gun eliminate the need for an electrician or landscaper?


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