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DICK
FantasDICK allies
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on Jun 15, 2005 at 8:17:39 am

well this isn't realy a demo reel, but i couldn't find a better forum to post.
this is a amateur snowboard movie made by me and some friends of mine for a european
amateur film contest called filmup ( http://www.filmup.at ) - we won ;)

http://www.filmup.at/cms/index.php?id=510

feedback would be great - we're amateurs but we try to learn...

http://www.dickissick.com - our homepage for more infos on us

greets


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Matt Abron
You are kidding...right???
on Jun 15, 2005 at 11:12:49 pm

Look man,
I am surprised you won anything, what does the girls have to do with your piece of ...

Look I am never this hard but dude...

No Story
No continuity
No concept
No great imagery
Equals Nonsense

Like an effect reel, would have gotten a C- in any college level film class..that would be an effort not to discourage the crew.

Dude, tell me something about the athletes, area, or even the "school of thinking" Throw me a bone my man!

I starting with ski films 20 years ago...great subject matter to those who know how to go about it...

Try telling a story
Try a concept
Leave the viewers with more then they started...I do not think there is even one "up nat" or even a sound bite...

Typical use of equipment with NO understading what exactly to do with it...Harsh advice but necessary if you want to rise above being a hobbiest

Maybe I am just a skiier, but I can see chairlifts from my edit bay...Take some advice...any advice

Good Luck
Matt


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DICK
Re: You are kidding...right???
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on Jun 16, 2005 at 6:54:33 am

haha, no we're not kidding - we really won - 2nd time in a row,against more than 100 videos from switzerland,austria,germany and sweden...

i think YOU would hate last years video ;)

this should be more your "thing"
http://www.filmup.at/cms/index.php?id=508 - 3rd place...


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BKM
Re: You are kidding...right???
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on Jun 16, 2005 at 4:34:56 pm

You have a good career in either MTV/ESPN2 sports or amature porn.

BKM



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Matt Abron
Re: You are kidding...right???
on Jun 16, 2005 at 11:06:08 pm

OK Man. I am going to look at this as Job Security...

The post you replied with, is not much better, nice opening scenes (that were probably ripped off) Decent mograph...BUT NO Content

The key here is amateur...I missed that on the first go around...

As we say in the edit bay...All the wizardry in the world cannot turn a turd to gold...It's like tying a bow on a turd...it still stinks

If you want to be good, or least take a step in the right direction, reach deep and find a story you want to tell about snowboarding...get back to basics, Look at something you love like "Riding Giants",or even Dave Hatchett's Totally Boarding Series... disect it and LEARN my man, then add your mographs/FXs at the end of the process. When you think you are done, try this... shut your eyes and see if the edit does anything for you, you know the sound and audio weave, if not, then all the pictures in the world cannot help (bow on a turd thing)

If you take this advice...not only will you win this hackfest again, but you will make a real impression that will take you far beyond the amateur ranks...

Last word...I am amazed that 100 other people do not get it, reguardless where they are from.

If I see one more Ski or Snowboarding Montage to thumping Music, I will laugh all the way to the Bank, thanks for making it easy to set myself apart.

Brutal Honesty is the only way to get anywhere in this business (unless you are the client)...

Don't go Fakey, Go big or go home!

Good Luck
Matt



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DICK
Re: You are kidding...right???
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on Jun 17, 2005 at 6:52:53 am

haha sorry man, maybe i'm wrong but you sound like some kind of poser...
don't get me wrong - im not trying to diss you or something like that...
you just sound a bit "cocky", but alright... back to the theme

i think you havent seen a snowboard, ski or something else sportmovie the last 20 years...
take a look at this ones if you have the time:
promocopy (snowboard)
the red dragon video (skateboard)
yearbook - specially for you as a skier
or download and watch the teaser to "well..." at http://www.isenseven.de
these are professional productions with the same goal as we have
trying to entertain people - thats the deal ;)
and these are also commercial succesfull movies - so people seem to like it.

do you know - "nuis de la glui"? (not sure about the spelling)
it's a french "art" movie about snowboarding and freeskiing - it was a
cinema production, these people tried quiet the same as you expect me to do - the result was a nice movie for parents to watch with their children - snowboarders, the people that do this sport - probably think its lame... they know their sport, you don't need to tell them something about it, the want to see "bad ass" riding, hear party sound and want to get entertained...

oh, before i forgett - i would be really interrestet in your work...

anyway, thanks for your advices
"stay real bro"

greets from the sunny austria
a DICK http://www.dickissick.com

ps: excuse bad english as i'm a austrian language dumb ass...


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Frosch
Re: You are kidding...right???
on Jun 17, 2005 at 6:59:41 pm

I liked the film although it was a bit all over the place. I especially like the comic book sequences and the way you added neon effects to that handrail shot. Makes me want to go snowboarding after seeing it!
This Matt dude is way too critical...He probably never had that many hot chicks in any of his movies.


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DICK
Re: You are kidding...right???
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on Jun 17, 2005 at 6:54:09 am

thanks - amateur porn would sound nice ;)


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Jeff
I watched to the end
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on Jun 17, 2005 at 5:25:01 am

And I can see why it won -- because it's fun. That's the same reason people snowboard...


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DICK
Re: I watched to the end
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on Jun 17, 2005 at 6:27:00 am

thanks - think the same way!


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James Zito
Re: FantasDICK allies
on Jun 17, 2005 at 3:09:57 pm

In defense of DICK, he did say AMATEUR movie for an AMATEUR contest, so you can't expect much more.

I think you can tell a story and have great shots and still make it fun for people to watch. I mean, stringing a bunch of random effect shots can get boring after a while. Same with the footage. Show something new and interesting. You'll get a much better reaction from your audience than "It was fun."

Just my 2 cents.


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joshua spool
Re: FantasDICK allies
on Jun 20, 2005 at 7:26:13 pm

wow that was really bad. You really need to get some kind of narrative going in there. you're all over the place from the sasquatch to the naked chicks and the sleep over pillow fight. your use of effects are just wrong. your chops dont make sense. I think you are relying on shock value to carry you through on that project, and it didnt. Also what does most of that stuff have to do with snowboarding anyway? there is absolutly no rythym in that short that I can discern. I can't believe you actually won something with that. but good for you.

J-


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DICK
Re: FantasDICK allies
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on Jun 21, 2005 at 6:51:39 am

thanks for your oppinion...

yes we had it all - and it was exactly the way we wanted it...
the girls bathing, the pillow fight - we wanted to show a stereotype
victim - hero scenario...

the characters you're seeing - for example the sasquatch youre talking about
were all based on our real personalitys - the guy playing him is "wolfgang beer" nickname "wolle" - "volle wolle" would be german for "full of wool" :)

ultralex is named alexander (alex) and he's a really tall guy - so he became the giant ultrALEX

and so on

what this has to do with snowboarding? - nothing - does it really have to?
we simply wanted to show us snowboarding and having fun playing superheroes...


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eric
Re: FantasDICK allies
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on Jun 22, 2005 at 3:40:49 am

It was pretty good...for a snowboard short film. Lose the "Dick" thing. that very childish..people wont take you seriously. What are you guys selling? Is this a brand name? Needs to be shorter. I can see how you won though - good work. keep it up


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joe
Re: FantasDICK allies
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on Jun 22, 2005 at 5:25:47 am

extremely amateur and as for an attempt for a story line I was completely lost. BUT I will give you this, I rollerblade and the attempt in most rollerblading movies is to convey not just the rollerblading but the style and culture of the rollerbladers in the video. And I'd say for your lil vid you did a good job of showing your style


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Peter Baker
Re: FantasDICK allies
on Sep 26, 2005 at 9:45:45 pm

It's goofy but fun. What you should do is approach the FUEL network. I think they would eat that up. However, you probably would have to ease up on the dick references for cable. But give it a try!

-- Peter Baker


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