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Gergo Szabo
Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 3, 2011 at 12:39:35 pm

Hi,

I started to learn the Smoke and found many great tutorial, but there is a topic what is missing for me. This topic is the Editing audio.

Just simple things like:

Fade in and Out
Levels
Panning
Effects?


Do you have any place where I can find the answer?

Thanks
Gary


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Brian Mulligan
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 3, 2011 at 1:01:52 pm

I don't know of any specific audio tutorials. However....

Fade in and Out - add a dissolve transition to the beginning or end of your audio track.

Levels - Use the GAIN soft effect

Panning - Handled in the Audio Desk Tab. You can access it from the standard player

Effects? - There are some Modulation/Reverb/EQ effects as soft effects.
The UI is a bit unclear as to how it works. But the effects are simple enough that you can play with it to get a feel for it.

Brian Mulligan
Senior Editor - Autodesk Smoke
WTHR-TV Indianapolis,IN, USA
Twitter: @bkmeditor


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Gergo Szabo
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 3, 2011 at 3:03:03 pm

Oh It's great that I can change everything.

The UI is so different for the FCP that almost I have to re-learn editing :)

First step to learn the editing "tab" inside the Smoke. :) I haven't seen any sign of Multicam. Is it hide somewhere or not supported?

By the way thanks for the answer.


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Roni Jules
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 3, 2011 at 5:03:22 pm

Grant Kay has a good introduction:

http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/discreetuk/timeline_101_the_audio_tools


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Gergo Szabo
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 3, 2011 at 8:40:16 pm

Ah great tutorials Thanks a lot. It answered almost all my questions. But unfortunately some method didn't work. For example I can't add dissolve (fade) to the audio clips. When I move my cursor, ruler ( I don't know the name in SMOKE) to the cut point of the audio. The Fade button on the left doesn't show up. I hit Ctrl + PgUP to go to the first frame.

And while I watched some other tutorials I have found another silly problem. I use FCP shortcuts because I am a former FCP editor but in the tutorials Grant used Smoke shortcuts I think.

I watched the Gap Effects video and I couldn't make a Splice. I have tried to look for It on the Hotkey Editor but It didn't show up (not even shared or global).

Thanks
Gary


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Brian Mulligan
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 4, 2011 at 12:54:58 am

I can't really help with the FCP hotkeys. It might be a good idea to start learning with the default Smoke hotkeys, then switch later.

As far bas multi cam. You can gang clips, including the record clip. But there isn't a specific function.

Brian Mulligan
Senior Editor - Autodesk Smoke
WTHR-TV Indianapolis,IN, USA
Twitter: @bkmeditor


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Grant Kay
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 5, 2011 at 8:39:42 am

Hi Gary,

I actually use the Final Cut Pro hotkeys for all my latest videos.

Here is a quick way to make a user with FCP hotkeys.
- Start up smoke
- in the project and user window, go to the user section and CLICK NEW
- In the user settings, give your user a new name.
- Beneath the name box, you can choose what hotkeys you want to use.
- You can choose between SMOKE/FLAME and FCP.

Please note that most of the hotkeys have been mapped for FCP but not all of them :)

As for putting fades on audio it is really simple.
- The cursor bar in the timeline is called a positioner.
- on this yellow bar you will see a small horizontal rectangular bar. This is called the focus point.
- You can adjust the focus point using the PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN hotkeys on the keyboard or you can simply drag the focus point up and down the positioner with your cursor.
- Now move the focus point to the audio track that you want to apply the fade to.
- move the positioner to the beginning or end of the audio element by pressing the up or down arrow hotkeys on the keyboard.
- To the left of the timeline you should see a set of buttons, saying cut or fade. If you do not than you need to ensure that nothing is selected in the timeline. To do this, simply click on the empty grey area beneath the timeline.
- Once you see the buttons, just click fade and adjust the fade to your linking.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Grant

Check out my Smoke blog at http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/discreetuk
Subscribe to my YouTube Channel - SMOKEHOWTOS
Follow me on Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/discreetuk


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Gergo Szabo
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 5, 2011 at 6:03:39 pm

Hello Grant,

Thanks for your answer. Sorry but I identify all the smoke tutorials on the Area or Youtube to you. Maybe It wasn't yours.

I use Smoke on Mac 2012 SP1 and the shortcut what doesn't work is the (FCP Shortcut) Ctrl + V "Add edit" maybe you call It Splice here.



I have tried the solution for the fade buttons. But It doesn't wanna appear.

I clicked to the gray area to unselect everything. I moved the little yellow rectangle to the A1 but It seems that's not enough :(

<a href="http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/111005/Screen_shot_2011-10-05_at_7.54.55_PM_http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png"><img src="http://kepfeltoltes.hu/thumb/111005/Screen_shot_2011-10-05_at_7.54.55_PM_http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png" border="0" /></a>

I have found a solution. I go to the first fram and hit Ctrl + T but than It adds dissolve for the V1 too :S Only way what I foundto prevent this is to lock V1.

Gary


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Grant Kay
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 5, 2011 at 11:01:25 pm

Hi Gary,

Most Smoke for Mac tutorials from Autodesk are probably me :)

To thanks for the extra information as that made things clear for me.

To create a splice edit/add edit -- just press the B hotkey (Blade) And SHIFT+B to cut across all tracks.

As for the audio screen-grab, I now see the situation. When you are between two edits on the timeline you will get the audio cut and dissolve buttons. However if you are at the beginning or end of the timeline you don't.

However all is not lost, you found part of the solution. Move the focus point to the audio track and press T (transition). This should add the dissolve to the track where the focus point is aligned with.

Using CONTROL+T or SHIFT+T adds transitions across all the edits if that is what you want. And yes, you can lock tracks to prevent this.

Hope this helps.

Regards
Grant

Check out my Smoke blog at http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/discreetuk
Subscribe to my YouTube Channel - SMOKEHOWTOS
Follow me on Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/discreetuk


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Gergo Szabo
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 6, 2011 at 3:09:56 pm

Thanks Grant, you answered all my questions. Except those what I don't know yet. As I try to understand this program I realized that there will be many questions about It.

Is there on the web a shortcut list for the Smoke (with FCP keyboards) what I can print?

Thanks
Gary


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Grant Kay
Autodesk Smoke and FCP hotkeys
on Oct 6, 2011 at 3:19:17 pm

Hi,

Here lis a link to the PDF with the most popular FCP hotkeys used with Smoke.

http://wikihelp.autodesk.com/Creative_Finishing/enu/Community/Tips_and_Tric...

Good luck!

Regards
Grant

Check out my Smoke blog at http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/discreetuk
Subscribe to my YouTube Channel - SMOKEHOWTOS
Follow me on Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/discreetuk


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Gergo Szabo
Re: Autodesk Smoke and FCP hotkeys
on Oct 8, 2011 at 9:13:31 pm

Great resource Grant. Thank you so much!

Gary


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Hans von Sonntag
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 16, 2011 at 11:41:04 am

Gant Kay wrote:

"However all is not lost, you found part of the solution. Move the focus point to the audio track and press T (transition). This should add the dissolve to the track where the focus point is aligned with."

I copy a new sound clip and add it in front or end of the last sound clip of the timeline. I then add the transition ad delete the previously added clip. Sort if cheating but works.

Hans


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Walter Soyka
Re: Editing audio in Smoke
on Oct 14, 2011 at 5:48:17 pm

[Grant Kay] "I actually use the Final Cut Pro hotkeys for all my latest videos."

Grant, which hotkeys would you recommend learning?

I'm initially using the default Autodesk bindings, but it sounds like that might make following your excellent training a little more difficult. Are there any big pros or cons for using one set over the other?

Thanks,

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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