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Robert Ashe Jr.
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on Jul 10, 2005 at 5:28:34 pm

Hi there,

Was curious to know if anyone had experience editing from start to finish on a Smoke. Did you enjoy the experience?

Also I was curious to know the data rates of the "capture to proxy" option for HD 1920x1080 24P.

Thank you for your help in advance.

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Robert Ashe Jr.
http://www.risingashes.com
http://www.robashe.com


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stephane labrie
Re: 2 Questions
on Jul 13, 2005 at 12:26:38 am

Hi Robert!

start to finish: it depends of the type of project. All the editorial toolset is there to edit a show. You don't have all the fancy Avid tools,but the basic tools are there. Also when using smoke, you are sure that the final show will be 100% the same as your "offline". Instead of using proxy, you could just use NTSC 16x9 footage and later use the Unlink + Reformat tools to recapture the HD footage (all those features are in version 6 and dup of smoke). NTSC "offline" will allow you to output a version to tape if needed (HD proxy can't be ouput to tape)

Proxy: proxies can be configured as many way so you may get different quality. The default is 50% so you would get for 1920x1080 960x540 (16x9) proxy. Quality can also be configured. Proxies are downsized version, there is no compression in smoke. Again, NTSC could be used.

have a nice smoke day!!!


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Robert Ashe Jr.
Re: 2 Questions
on Jul 13, 2005 at 4:56:43 am

Great. Thank you so much for the help. It's a low budget show with some complicated visual fx, so I'm trying to find the best way to go.

Robert Ashe Jr.


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laguun
Re: 2 Questions
on Jul 14, 2005 at 8:11:39 am

i would prefer smoke for director/editor sessions for short-to medium forms (commercial, clips) over most systems on the market right now.

using smoke for a fullfeature or a series has some mayor setbacks - as a matter of fact we decided to not go with smoke that way.
1) price & amount of storage. If you are in SD, it might be okay, but if you


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stephane labrie
Re: 2 Questions
on Jul 14, 2005 at 5:19:55 pm

Hi Robert!

In fact, since you are in the L.A. area, you should come to see us a Siggraph 2005! We'll be there demoing all our products line and you'll be able to see smoke in action and ask questions. That way, it willl be easier for you to see how smoke can benefit your project.

For more detail:
http://www.siggraph.org/s2005events/s2005


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robert gregory
Re: 2 Questions
on Jul 14, 2005 at 11:28:45 pm

hello robert. For short/medium-sized projects (like music video and corporate) smoke is the way to go. It is very cool to be able to edit and apply vfx and not bother with conform problems. My clients really like to see the final product when the session is done. If you plan to edit long form, smoke miss some tools to make the experience a nice trip:

-no bin and media management tools
-no compression (but v6 has the proxy workflow that kinda fake it)
-no realtime effects
-no dual monitor for rough cut
-no interactive trimming and J-K-L

On the good side
-robust timeline and easy way to create version.
-gestural editing rocks! I have hard time going back to Avid after using smoke.
-DVE is the best 3D tools in the NLE market.
-Tracking/keyking/color correction tools are deep and strong.
-mix res allows you to mix and match footage from any resolution/framerate.


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Robert Ashe Jr.
Thank you everyone
on Jul 15, 2005 at 12:23:58 am

I just wanted to thank everyone for answering my questions. I'm going to see if I can tyr to make Siggraph.

Robert Ashe Jr.
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http://www.robashe.com
http://www.risingashes.com


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stephane labrie
Re: Thank you everyone
on Jul 15, 2005 at 11:01:28 am

See you at Siggraph!

If you can`t make it, you can visit our sales office in Santa Monica.

210 Main Street
Venice, California 90291 USA
Tel: 310-396-1167 / Fax: 310-396-1257

Have a nice smoke day!!!


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PHILIPPE LEMIEUX
Re: 2 Questions
on Aug 1, 2005 at 12:46:48 pm

For short/medium-sized projects (like music video and corporate) smoke is the way to go


WOW Robert, I would loved to have my Corporates done on Smoke BUT... I can't have the budjet for that... Your really giving them ALOT for their money...


Cheers




Philippe Lemieux
Production par l'image
Laval, Quebec, Canada

http://www.prodparlimage.com


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