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Charles Fasano
Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 3:28:40 am

Allow me to begin by saying thank you in advance for any and all help. Please know I am a marine biologist first and a video editor second so I'll apologize for my elementary questions.


2011 macbook pro, 8gb ram, all working files (connected assets) are on the hard drive, Panasonic BD burner connected firewire 800, Encore CS5


THIS IS A BLU-RAY PROJECT even though the forum is for Encore DVD


I have created a movie that has only 2 menus. The main menu and a chapter selection menu.
The menus have a video file playing in the background with text generated from the video editor appearing 10 seconds in. This menu is very basic...video background with 3 buttons overlayed on top placed where the text appears. Of these buttons, one plays the main movie, another plays a behind the scenes, and the last directs the user to the chapter selection menu.

The video files for the menu background were transcoded in Media Manager to Blu-ray h.264 and imported assets as .m4v video and .ac3 audio.
The actual movie files are also imported in this same manner and are working fine.
Preview works fine except where indicated below in the form of the background video being in poor quality.


Problem:
When the disc is inserted into a blu-ray player, the main menu background video looks worse than standard def videos. At the loop point set for the buttons to "appear and activate" (10sec) the video freezes, screen turns black for just a split second (literally, split second) then re-appears normally with all buttons working fine, the video plays accordingly but is still in bad quality. The buttons work as supposed to and the movies they're connected to are brilliantly played in blu-ray quality without any problems.


On the chapter selection menu, the same applys to the background video where it plays in poor quality but the problem here is again at the loop point but has a different action. At the time of the loop point (again 10sec) the video stops, then jumps back to the beginning of the Chapter menu and starts over again. It does this over and over, never allowing me to get to the buttons for chapter selection. It just loops back to the beginning of the same menu. The only way to stop this is to press the main menu button on the remote to get back to the main menu.

So...2 things:
1) howcome the background videos in the menus are in bad quality? Do know in the preview, the background videos are in the good quality sometimes. In other words, when I press the preview, sometimes the videos are shown in good quality, and sometimes they're not. I onced "fixed" it when it previewed in poor quality by disconnecting the wip to the asset, then reconnecting it. It played fine in the preview once but then the next time I previewed it, it was in poor quality.



2) why are there 2 different glitches at the loop points on the menus. Both menus are identical in properties, not in asset connections. As a matter of fact, the chapter menu was created by copy/pasting the main menu, changing the assets, and using more buttons (these buttons were also copy/paste from the main menu buttons but have different links). Also know that in preview, the loop points work just fine and the buttons appear without a problem, but the video quality is diminished as with the main menu.



2 Burn processes tried and have identical problems:

I created discs using 2 methods and the problems are identical in both. I burned a blu-ray disc directly from Encore which exhibited these problems. I also made a folder and burned the BDMV file in Toast Titanium Pro 10 and also have these same identcal problems. I did make an .iso file also, but don't know how to test that on a blu-ray disc. I am using BD-RE discs so that I don't waste a lot of money.



Please help. I am in crunch time and have less than 2 weeks to complete this and get 100 discs burned.

Thank you again for reading this and for any and all help.



Charlie


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Daniel Ludwig
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 8:32:13 am

hi charles,
there are different issues that you need to take care of:

1. menu-background

you need to know that adobe encore allways encode/transcode the menu-assets to MPEG2HD. it doesn´t matters if you are using a mov-file or a previous transcoded h264/m4v-file.

but if you have cascading transcodes, that will result in bad picture-quality.

so the best way to solve this problem is to use your quicktime-movie as backgroud-movie for your menu.

2. general menu-behave

as you are authoring a blu-ray disc the technical specifications are different what you might know from DVD.

there is a new way to create menus for BDs - so called muli-layer-menus.

meaning you´ll have different pages of menus within the so called IG-stream. IG stands for "interactive grafic". the IG-stream could contain a lot pages that could have a lot buttons, too.

so you need to create a PSD-file containing these pages and the buttons, you don´t need to have a seperate "sub-menu" for chapters or setup, it all could be within your top-menu on different pages.

if you would like to get an example about how it could be, please have a look over here:

http://rivergatesoftware.com/tutorial-12tangos

there you can find some useful help and a tutorial how to work with IG-graphics within encore.

the tutorial is quite a bit different - the most interesting thing for you might be the PSD-file. you can see the order of the pages, buttons and layers.

if you have further more questions, please let us know.

cheers

danny


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Charles Fasano
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 8:21:35 pm

Thanks for your help Danny:
Allow me to show what I am trying to do. Below is the motion video for the main menu background created with the video editor:

Main Menu:






As I stated in the original post, exactly as you see these videos, that is exactly how they are imported, with the text embedded on the video. I then added the buttons over the corresponding text.

How best should I go about doing this for a Blu-Ray disc?

Do I revise the video by removing the text, then have the text from a psd file layer fade in on top of the video and activate that layer at the loop point? Then assign the buttons at that time? Is this the workflow?
Also, how can I keep the video (without text) in 1080 so that it's displayed as such in the menu?

What is your recommendation?

Thanks again for your help.


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Daniel Ludwig
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 9:02:45 pm

hi again,
here is what you need to do:

1. you need to get rid of the text out of your background-video that should be your buttons.

2. start the video without the intro-part. it should start where the loop-point is.

you also need to have first frame of your video should be last frame of your video + 1 frame, so you´ll get a nice looping background-video. it would be good if you could create it a bit longer as well, so you will not get to the looping-point that fast.

your video should be 1920x1080 and you project-settings should be the same, of course.

3. you need to create your PSD-file for the menu that way:



as you could see, there is no background-layer within this PSD-file and you can see 4 buttons at the lower position and also in the layer-view.

the lowest (+) play is button no 1 of the main page, followed by the other 3.

then there are the other sub-pages of the menu which start with the (#1) for chapter page 1 and (#2) for chapter page 2, and also (#3) for setup.

you can see them all on top of the 4 main page buttons overlapping, but as long as they are not within the same (sub-)page, that doesn´t matter.

there are also a lot buttons within each of these (#1)-pages for chapter-selection and setup.

allways keep in mind: buttons are not allowed to overlap each other, as well as with DVD.

so you need to import your menu as PSD-file and then set the background-video to be the background-video for you menu. to do so you need to select your menu, go to properties, select the motion-tab and drag these @-symbol onto your background-video-file within your project-window. the video will be linked as backgroundvideo for your menu.

link all the buttons from your main page and your sub-pages, and it´ll should work.

if you have further questions, please let us know.

cheers

danny


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Charles Fasano
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 8:34:50 pm

Aloha Danny:
I just noticed in the properties of the menus, they are set to 720x480. The project itself has been set as Blu-ray . Do I need to change the menu properties to 1920x1080. Is this possible and where can I do this?


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Daniel Ludwig
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 9:06:09 pm

yes, you need to set them 1920x1080.

please look at your project-transcoding-settings and/or your blu-ray-transcoding-settings within your project-window on the left hand side.

they should be 1920x1080.

cu

danny


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Charles Fasano
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 6, 2011 at 10:33:27 pm

Thanks again Danny.

I've done what you;ve said, in creating another video background without the text and imported it into the project. I then connected the wip in the motion menu of the main menu to set it as the background. Unfortunately, I still can't seem to change the settings of the men u from 720x480 to 1920x1080. Even when I have the menu highlighted, the options to transcode, which I've verified as correct, are not available (grayed out).

How can I get the menu property to match the video background?

Please send me an email if you can. I might ask if I can pay you to complete this project for me.
charlie@fasanounderwater.com

Aloha


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Charles Fasano
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 7, 2011 at 7:54:38 pm

Aloha Danny:
So did everything you suggested. I created a 1920x1080 file in photoshop. Created the 3 buttons where I placed them into their corresponding groups, used (+) for group names and also used (=1) for the highlighted state. I then imported the .psd file as a menu into encore and it created a correctly sized menu.
I also removed the text from the videos in the video editor and made new .mov files which was imported into encore.
I made the correct connections (wips) under the "motion" tab in the menu to set the background video.
It all works great as expected. I'm wondering though, I don't like how I have to have the buttons and video appear immediately as the disc is inserted. Is there a work around this? Just seems silly to me that with Blu-ray I'm limited in how the text has to appear right away. Can they at least "fade in" with the video.

Thanks again for your help.

Aloha
-Charlie-


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Daniel Ludwig
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 7, 2011 at 8:18:58 pm

hey again,
no - intro-transitions like you know from DVD can´t be done with blu-ray and especially with encore.

if you are working with a full-spec blu-ray authoring solution you could add in- and out-effects to your interactive graphic-stream, but you can´t do this with encore.

if you feel like having the time, you should look at DVD Logic EasyBDSuite.

it´s a full-spec-solution for a reasonable price at 700$.

http://www.dvd-logic.com/easybd/

but be awared: it´s windows-software.

you can also download a 21days full functional demo from the website.

cheers

danny


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Charles Fasano
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 7, 2011 at 9:12:10 pm

Thank you again for all your help. It looks like I'll just have to live with the immediate appearance of the buttons with the non-fade in of the video. C'est la vie.

Something new just arose though.
Remember I have 2 menus, the main menu (1st play) and the chapter selection menu (linked from the main). In the preview, the main menu appears and p[lays just fine. But in the Chapter selection menu, only the text and music appears. The video doesn't play. I've rendered the menu in preview and still no video. I' checked all the connections and everything is linked fine. Its an identical menu to the main menu in that I literally copied the main menu but re-arranged all the links accordingly. Even in the build, the checker finds no problems, but after burning to disk or even an .iso, the video in the Chapters selection menu still doesn't play. Am I overlooking anything?

Thanks again

-Charlie-


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Errol Lazare
Re: Encore CS5 Menu Anomalies
on Jun 5, 2012 at 4:36:55 am

Hey Charlie,

I have also experienced the annoyance of a low quality menu playing in my HD blu-ray encore project. I found some what of a work around. It seems that every time I create a menu with encore it defaults to creating a 720x480 SD menu even in my blu-ray project and I have not found a way to change it. I am not sure why or how this happens but I did find a work around:

1. Create a blank photoshop file with the resolution of 1920x1080 and save it as a PSD
2. In Encore right click in the project gallery and select Import As > Menu > and select the menu you created in photoshop.
3. Now in Encore, click on the menu you created and in the motion tab of the properties window connect your video and audio pick whip to your video and audio assets.

Finally a Bluray menu in HD!
Hope that helps!

Cheers.

Errol X. Lazare
EXL Films
http://www.exlfilms.com


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