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Kevin Dearing
Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 24, 2008 at 6:51:04 pm

This is my first Encore (CS3) DVD.. Of course I had to do it a little over the top.. Here's what I have:

There's a short video clip that plays as first start. Then I want it to go to the main menu which animates the buttons and a couple of graphics on. I do have a transition set which animates the stuff off and ... opens the curtains revealing the clip selected.

My problems:

1) When doing a preview, there seems like a HUGE delay between the first play item and the main menu.

I'm not too worried about this - I think I may have rendered the whole thing and didn't trim the AE comp to my work area.. I'll check that.. Nope.. that wasn't it.. The video stops right where I wanted it to stop. But I still get that long (3 - 6 second) delay. (And I have rendered all of the motion menus)

2) My big problem is that when the main menu's background animation is playing, after about a half of a second, button number 1 shows up in what looks to be the Active state colors. Also, if you mouse over it, the other buttons show up - so they aren't disabled for the first play through.

I tried to set the loop point but it doesn't let me (the numbers reset to 0). I have Loop # set to none (but have tried setting it to 2 also) because I want the background video to play once and then stop.

I've been playing with this for about two hours now and am getting really frustrated!

Oh, all of the animations were done in AE (CS3) rendered to AVI (using the Encore Menu -> Create AE Comp) button..

The menu's were edited in Photoshop, and that's what I used to start from in AE.

Thanks for any help you may provide - I'm going crazy!

--KTFA


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Joe Bowden
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 24, 2008 at 11:07:04 pm

Encore's preview mode is inexact, and certainly doesn't display the performance of a DVD player.

Burn a RW disc, and then test the menu in a DVD player.



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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 4:35:20 am

Thanks Joe,
I'll burn one tonight - of course I've already made the opening sequence include the Main Menu's background video. Of course each time my flow goes back to the main menu I'll have to add the clip that I was using as the background video...

Anyway, do you think the whole button thing (showing up before it's supposed to and being active during the video) is due to Encore's preview ... problems?

--KTFA



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Jeff Bellune
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 2:28:39 pm

Setting the loop point property for a menu will determine when the buttons first become active and visible.

Create a menu that is a duplicate of the main menu except for the intro loop (the part before the buttons become active). Use that duplicate as the link target when returning to the main menu.

-Jeff

The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe Encore DVD 2.0


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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 3:01:04 pm

Thanks Jeff,
I'm not able to set the loop point though.. Every time I try it resets to 0.

--KTFA



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Jeff Bellune
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 3:09:30 pm

What's the Loop Number set to?

-Jeff

The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe Encore DVD 2.0


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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 3:16:56 pm

I currently have it set to none but I've tried 2 also. Basically I don't really want it to loop - just play once and go to my static menu..

--KTFA



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Joe Bowden
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 3:35:28 pm

What's your menu duration? And what are you trying to set the Loop Point timecode to?



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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 3:39:27 pm

Duration is set to 2;14 (the length of the video clip)

I found that I was able to set the loop point to 2;00

If that works I'll probably have to add a second to the video clip.

Is there some reason I can't set the loop point to 2;14 or even 2;13 ?

--KTFA



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Joe Bowden
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 4:12:56 pm

Yes, there is a reason - the loop point must be at least a half second earlier than the duration of a motion menu, due to the need to correctly set a GOP for the MPEG-2 file that displays the "motion".

But what are you using the Loop Point for? Its proper use is two-fold:

1. Delay the appearance of button highlights in the menu
2. Loop back to this timecode after the motion menu has completely played


Most commonly, one would design a motion menu video background in After Effects in which there is an opening animation, followed by the graphically-represented buttons being in a static position or opacity. The Loop Point in Encore would be set to the first frame where the buttons are in this fixed state. The end result is the motion menu plays the intro with no button highlights appearing, and then when the buttons are static, the highlight appears. Then the menu concludes playing, and loops back to this "static" state.

If you're not looping or designing your menu in this way, then you probably shouldn't be using the Loop Point feature.



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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 4:19:06 pm

That makes sense...

Yes, that's what I'm attempting to do: Animated the menu's appearance and trying to use the loop point to delay the functionality of the buttons until the background video finishes playing...

So it seems like I've done most things correctly, with the exception of not leaving enough static menu time so that I can have the loop point set to where the buttons / graphics are static.

Thanks for your time and patience. I think I'm good now - will lengthen my animations by a second for good measure.

--KTFA



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Joe Bowden
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 4:27:27 pm

In general, I try to make my "static" portion of a motion menu about 15 seconds. This minimizes the appearance of button highlights switching off and back on when the menu loops, and often 15 seconds is enough time for the user to choose a button, so they never see this loop.



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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 25, 2008 at 4:35:19 pm

Gotcha,
I guess my original thinking was trying to minimize space used on the DVD for these animations since my main program is an hour and a half and I've got a few extra's..

So, my understanding is that as long as I have a couple of seconds of static buttons in my background animations then I can set the loop point to wherever the animated buttons stop, then I can choose none for the loop # (since there's no other animation)..

THat's how I've got it set now, will render my lengthened animations then do a test burn..

Thanks again - I REALLY appreciate your time!

--KTFA



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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 26, 2008 at 3:30:20 am

Alright, well, It's not quite working the way I thought it would.. I made all of my animations longer by about 2 seconds. I set the loop point to 2 seconds less than the new duration. I set loop # to none and, basically went through another 5 test burn DVD's and it's still not quite right.

THe main menu works as expected.. The second menu plays the animation but I can only select the 'Main' button - not either of the two normal buttons which link to content. I'm wondering if the menu isn't corrupt or something (though I did duplicate it and worked on that which netted better results - just not quite right..)

As I have to get this DVD out for duplication I am going to have to scale back and loose most of the animations. Fortunately, I am the client so I'm ok with it.. But, I still have to figure this stuff out for next time. Once I get this in the mail I'll try messing around to see if I can produce the effects that I want.

Thanks for your help guys!

--KTFA



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Jeff Bellune
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 26, 2008 at 5:08:35 pm

Be sure to buy an RW disc or two so that you don't make any more coasters. ;-)

-Jeff

The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe Encore DVD 2.0


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Kevin Dearing
Re: Menu - Background animation - buttons showing up / loop point not enabled
on Apr 28, 2008 at 5:25:25 am

I totally hear that! I've burnt 12 so far and it's still not right.. Too bad the preview isn't more reliable..

So anyway, here's what I wound up doing - I started from scratch - all the way back into Premiere, exported to Encore, then imported all of my assets and menu's.. Made sure I had the duration and the loop point set correctly and whallah - it works just fine! (except for the chapter menu that I'm still having a problem with.. see thread above)

--KTFA



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