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Ben Muehleisen
Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Jan 7, 2013 at 7:53:10 pm

We are making the switch from FCP7 to Adobe CS6, and we have a few questions.

Our original workflow was:

Import Ex-1 XDCAM footage using XDCAM Transfer, save in a project folder.
Use Adobe Bridge to Batch Rename all files
Import to FCP7 and Edit.

Now, with CS6, We aren't exactly sure how our workflow should go. We copy the BPAV folder to our project folder on the local hard drive, then in Premiere, we can navigate to, import and edit that footage. But all the files are still named numbers from the camera. We would prefer to rename all of our clips before the import process, but using Bridge with the BPAV folder structure doesn't work so well anymore.

We can't be the only shop running into this issue, is there someone out there that can offer a meaningful solution?

Thanks!

http://636benjamin.com
http://pelopidasmedia.com/

Sony EX-1
Canon 5d MKII

FCP, CS6


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Ian Cook
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Jan 7, 2013 at 8:33:21 pm

The renaming workflow you had was only really possible because you were working with the rewrapped .movs that existed outside the BPAV. Unfortunately no NLE supports batch renaming of XDCAM EX prior to import. I would take a quick look at the new 'Prelude' logging/ingest app in CS6; this may have the capability of renaming prior to import.

Also just as a general FYI, if you import using the built-in media browser you'll see all your clips in one place without having to drill down into the clip folders. Just make sure you set the format selector to 'XDCAM EX.' The media browser will also automatically handle the concatenation of any spanned files.

If you install a QT plugin for EX (like Calibrated's 'XD-Decode') you should be able to work with the rewrapped .movs from transfer in PPro but of course you then lose the immediate access you get in Premiere..


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Ben Muehleisen
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Jan 8, 2013 at 8:42:49 pm

Ok, I like Prelude, at least to start, but I don't think it will really satisfy our need. Here is an example from today. We shot a 1/5 hour presentation with 2 cameras. They span over 4 cards between the cameras. Now, to use them all with Premiere, in what I think is the suggested workflow, I have several folders, all containing separate BPAV folders, which contain clips that are all named numbers.

How do people manage to organize all of their media? I can see us getting very lost very quickly, imagine if we had multiple shoots in one day, and maybe accidentally imported into the wrong folder? Now I have a genuine mess, and taking this project to another computer (we have 4 edit bays) could be a nightmare!

If only Bridge would recognize BPAV folders as XDCAM like the other Adobe products do, I could see an end in sight. The thing I hear people say about the greatness of Prelude and Premiere is that you maintain the folder structure created by the camera. I don't see that as an advantage, I would rather just have one simple folder with all my video clips in it.

Am I making an sense? I this something that CatDV would help with in organizing media? We record in the neighborhood of 500 hours of live footage annually, plus other special side projects, our media is going to be a mess in no time if we don't figure out a decent workflow soon.

Thanks for all your help, if anything needs clarification, Id be happy to answer any questions.

Ben

http://636benjamin.com
http://pelopidasmedia.com/

Sony EX-1
Canon 5d MKII

FCP, CS6


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Fraser Walker
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:19:35 am

Hi Ben,

Can I ask, did you ever find a workflow that worked for you? I'm just about to embark on a project exactly as you have described here! I just completed a job for broadcast editing a mash of 5D, 7D and 600D footage on CS6 and was delighted at how fast and smooth everything went, but now I'm about to start on the EX1 with it's BPAV file structure. I'm mucking around with it now before tomorrow's shoot (the shoot is a conference that runs over 3 days, so I'll be hitting that same media management speedbump you mentioned.)

Hope all is well!
Fraser


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Ben Muehleisen
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Mar 13, 2013 at 4:20:54 pm

Fraser,

I am somewhat glad to hear we are not the only ones with this issue, but a little disappointed no one has a really good solution.

Our current workflow is basically just folder organization. So a project folder might look like this:

Project X Folder
- Premiere Project file.prproj
-Footage folder
-5d footage
- Sony footage
-Card 1
-BPAV
-Card 2
-BPAV
-Card 3
-BPAV

I hope that makes sense. We do not rename any of our footage, it just stays stored like this in the project folder. We then use media manager to import the footage into the project, which really just points to where it is stored. You can get more specific in your naming of the different card folders (i.e. name the folder 2013_3_13_WideCam instead of Card 1) if you like.

From what I have figured out, this is basically how Adobe wants you to do it. We are going to be moving to CatDV sometime soon, and I don't think your folder structure and media management matter as much as CatDV does all of the catalog work for you, you stay organized via tags and markers and such.

I'd be happy to try to answer any other questions you may have, but this workflow is at least getting us by for now, and should until I start needing footage from project A in project R, but I'll cross that path when I get there.

http://636benjamin.com
http://pelopidasmedia.com/

Sony EX-1
Canon 5d MKII

FCP, CS6


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Ben Muehleisen
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Mar 13, 2013 at 4:27:26 pm

Sorry, the spacing did not translate in my folder file structure. Let me try again.

Project X Folder
- Premiere Project file.prproj
- Footage folder
---5d footage
---Sony footage
-----Card 1
-------BPAV
-----Card 2
-------BPAV
-----Card 3
-------BPAV

http://636benjamin.com
http://pelopidasmedia.com/

Sony EX-1
Canon 5d MKII

FCP, CS6


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Fraser Walker
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Mar 13, 2013 at 6:31:02 pm

Thanks for the quick reply!

So, basically there's no cheat code or short-cut, it's just about being mega organised straight out of the gate?

It's pretty annoying, I guess. But I just tried a test and, frankly, I'm over the moon about being able to cut the native XDCAM EX footage. The time wasted in XDCAM Transfer then transcoding to ProRes was ridiculous! So being forced to be that much more organised with my footage is a small price to pay for cutting out two hugely time consuming steps of the process!

Hopefully that archiving workflow won't cause either of us any issues. Best of luck!


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Aaron Billheimer
Re: Sony EX-1 Workflow with Premiere Pro CS6
on Apr 10, 2014 at 3:43:32 pm

Hello,

The BPAV folder structure takes it's naming cue from the in camera settings which you can change from shoot to shoot. If you use Sony's Content Browser software to log the media from your cards you can add Metadata and Clip Names to the footage. You can also consolidate multiple cards into one BPAV folder. We copy footage from multiple cameras into a single BPAV folder using Content Browser and add Clip Names to the footage to distinguish Cameras and Angles. While these names do not show up in you finder window, when you view the footage in Premiere they are shown by those names.

Best,
Aaron


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