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mark pigott
XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 3:32:19 pm

Although Adobe swears up and down that it supports XDCAM on
Premiere (which in this case on a Windows PC i7 64 bit machine with
8 Gig of RAM).

This is what I do,
Use XDCAM transfer software on our Mac to create the XDCAM mov file.
(The Mac with FCP , has no problems wit the XDCAM)
I copy paste the XDCAM .mov over to the PC, load Premiere,
and it says "can not load movie, codec not found".

I also get no video in QT on the PC, when I try to play it.

a) are there any solutions
b)Why does Adobe say one thing, and deliver another

I'd love to use Premiere and AE on the mac generated content!

I am downloading the Calibrated Solution demo, however, from reading the XDCAM support page from Adobe, it sounds like switch and bait.

We use both Mac and PC here, but this is only one Mac, and many many many more PCs around here!


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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 6:24:48 pm

If you have CS5 you don't need to use XDCAM Transfer. You import via the PPro Media Browser. Set the File Type dropdown to XDCAM EX or XDCAM HD and you should be able to drag your clips right in. The Apple codec support does not always port over to other applications, unfortunately. Those rewrapped MOVs would require FCP or the appropriate Calibrated plugin.


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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 6:29:23 pm

Also-- if you are using EX and have an older version of PPro that doesn't have native support you can use Clip Browser to re-wrap the files. Use the Export-->'MXF for NLE' option, then import the .mxfs into PPro.


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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 6:33:01 pm

No, I have CS4 on the Windows platform.

I tried the Calibrated Demo, but it is severely watermarked.
I guess I will go back to exporting to ProRes, something
a PC with the new QT can read.

I feel Adobe was less than forthcoming with XDCAM support,
when in reality it is not out of the box.



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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 6:51:42 pm

It's watermarked because it's a trial version.

I thought CS4 had native support via the media browser...If not, re-wrapping to MXF in CB would be a lot faster than converting to ProRes, which requires an actual transcode.


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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 7:12:15 pm

"It's watermarked because it's a trial version."

Even 3ds Max gives you a 30 day fully functioning demo, and this
is a $3500 program.

They go to great ends to protect a $130 program.

Never was able to get cS4 to load anything XDCAM-ish through the
browser, again it doesn't work as advertised.

Anytime I need to go Mac to PC, I will henceforth convert to ProRes,
as this is a rock solid codec, and it actually does work!

I'm not too happy about this, but the reason I bought the CS4 suite
was for the so-called out of the box XDCAM support, which doesn't
exist.

Thanks for your help.
Over and out



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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 2, 2011 at 7:36:49 pm

Free-standing MXFs created in Clip Browser can be file-imported or dragged in from Finder/Windows Explorer. If this isn't working there's a bigger problem as this was a supported workflow as far back as Ppro CS3. Good luck.


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Brent Dunn
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 3, 2011 at 3:21:10 pm

You need to copy your BPAV over to your PC, not the transferred footage that is probably ProRes on the Mac, which is not compatible with Premier on the PC.

Brent Dunn
Owner / Director / Editor
DunnRight Films
DunnRight Video.com
Video Marketing Toolbox.net

Sony EX-1,
Canon 5D Mark II
Canon 7D
Mac Pro Tower, Quad Core,
with Final Cut Studio

HP i7 Quad laptop
Adobe CS-5 Production Suite





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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 3, 2011 at 5:30:08 pm

You need to copy your BPAV over to your PC, not the transferred footage that is probably ProRes on the Mac, which is not compatible with Premier on the PC.

Brent Dunn
Owner / Director / Editor
DunnRight Films
DunnRight Video.com
Video Marketing Toolbox.net

Sony EX-1,
Canon 5D Mark II
Canon 7D
Mac Pro Tower, Quad Core,
with Final Cut Studio

HP i7 Quad laptop
Adobe CS-5 Production Suite



I will try that!
Bye the way, ProRes is 100% compatible on the PC, as long as you
have the most recent QT player. I transfer ProRes to Adobe Encore, Premiere, and After Effects all the time.

Thanks for the help

p.s the camera we use is the Cinealta F350


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Mark Palmos
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jul 5, 2011 at 2:58:01 pm

Hi Mark,
best to leave prores and any other conversion out the picture unless you really HAVE to.
PP can use the files natively, unlike FCP... so no need to degenerate the files by re-compressing.
I am not familiar with how it would work with CS4, but have just moved to PP 5.5 and am running the 30 day trial, importing xdcamex footage no probs.
Mark.


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Shawn Miller
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 3, 2011 at 5:52:23 pm



I can confirm that CS4 does import XDCAM footage natively. I think Mark Pigott is right, you probably just need to import the video directly from the BPAV folder.

Thanks,

Shawn



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Shawn Miller
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jun 3, 2011 at 5:56:47 pm

"I think Mark Pigott is right.."

Oops, meant to give credit to Brent Dunn. :-)



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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Jul 28, 2011 at 5:48:58 pm

I see the browser picture you posted, but nothing pops up when i connect the XDCAM via firewire at all. You'd expect it to pop up
on Windows My Computer as a drive right? This does not happen.

I am wondering why the XDCAM connects to the Mac no problem, but are
i7 Windows machine does not see the connection. I think this is the
first problem



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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 11, 2013 at 4:11:12 pm

Check the menu and make sure i.LINK mode is set to FAM (File Access Mode) and not AVC (for tape-style playback and capture). Also make sure you have the latest FAM driver installed.


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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 11, 2013 at 6:44:09 pm

The F-350 is set to FAM. I never knew you needed a driver for the PC for FAM, the Mac has these built in. This might be part of the concern. Thanks



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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 11, 2013 at 7:01:49 pm

The driver is not built in to any operating system. You will always need a driver. The camera may go into PC Remote without it but you will never see the correct file system. Both drivers are at http://www.sony.com/xdcam-downloads under Applications Plugins and Drivers--> 'SxS and i.LINK FAM drivers'


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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 11, 2013 at 7:34:55 pm

I found a Fam driver 2_3 on the Sony Asia site, which is newer than the ones on the micro site.
Plus this 2_3 driver is for the F-335, F-355 etc, which are the 23G blue-ray style discs.

I think this is what I need.

Also, please note that I have a disc based camera, I see there is a new forum. I will move all furthur concerns to that one.

Thanks



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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 11, 2013 at 6:57:04 pm

Ahhhh..I never knew you needed a driver on the PC, the mac does not need one.



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mark pigott
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 11, 2013 at 4:05:20 pm

The problem is, if I connect the XDCAM camera to the PC via the firewire connection.
It never mounts and is never seen by the PC. So therefore, there is no way of looking at
the directory structure.

Maybe it is a firewire problem, I know FAM is set on the Cinalta camera. F350 I believe.



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Nick Owens
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 9, 2013 at 4:37:45 pm

Hey Mark,

Did you ever ending up finding a good (free or cheap) solution for this? I just switched from using a Mac Pro to a PC and none of my old projects that use that XDcam Mac Quicktime wrapper will work correctly. Thanks for any info you can provide.

Or anyone else find a solution besides that 100+ calibrated codec?


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Ian Cook
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 9, 2013 at 8:20:33 pm

I'm pretty sure you will need the Calibrated decoder. It's a quality product and well worth it. For the non-MOV wrapped files you can bring those in natively.


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Nick Owens
Re: XDCAM for Windows Adobe Premiere
on Feb 9, 2013 at 11:00:02 pm

It's starting to look that way. Someone in the Adobe forums had mentioned that they have the QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component for Windows and that has worked for them but I'm not sure it's the same scenario.
I am going to give Adobe a call as well and see if they have any solutions.
Have you used the calibrated codec in this way? Thanks for the response.


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