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Prashant Hiraskar
transfering FCP construction back to Sony Ex3 BPAV folder
on Oct 17, 2010 at 10:39:00 am

I have completed my edit line on FCP and made a single line mov file. I want to see that mov file on my EX3 camera. Is there a way that I can dump that mov file to SXS cards on EX3?
Kindly help...


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Craig Seeman
Re: transfering FCP construction back to Sony Ex3 BPAV folder
on Oct 17, 2010 at 12:00:54 pm

SxS cards, which are FAT32 formatted, have 4GB file limit per clip so the answer is no.
You can export back to XDCAM EX MP4 and then create a new BPAV though.

Once again, I'm sorry but I feel compiled to comment on the form of question.
Rather than start with
I would like to (place wrong assumption here) you should explain what your REAL goal is so you can get the best answer. The EX camera is really not the right device to screen or output masters from.

Please properly phrase the questions with your intended goal such as output to HDCAM or view on Projector or HDTV or whatever.



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Prashant Hiraskar
Re: transfering FCP construction back to Sony Ex3 BPAV folder
on Oct 18, 2010 at 7:42:36 am

If I export the file in XDCAM EX MP4 format, then how do i create BPAV folder. And if I create that folder, and copy back to SxS card then will the file read in the Camera?
Also which is the best way for me to project the XDCAM HD mov to HD Projectors. Earlier I used to use Print to Video option on my Sony M25 HD Deck, which would record the whole FCP construction to HD Tape. But now since I have EX3 I dont know how to dump the whole construction. Well I can export the whole timeline to a single mov clip. But then if I need to do the projection on full HD quality then what is the best way for me to transfer the data and keep the Masters.
Looking forward to hear from you.
Thanks and Bye.


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Craig Seeman
Re: transfering FCP construction back to Sony Ex3 BPAV folder
on Oct 18, 2010 at 12:56:54 pm

[Prashant Hiraskar] "how do i create BPAV folder."
File>Import into ClipBrowser 2.6 will create new BPAV

[Prashant Hiraskar] "if I create that folder, and copy back to SxS card then will the file read in the Camera?"

It won't work if the file is more than 4GB since the SxS formatted FAT32.

[Prashant Hiraskar] "which is the best way for me to project the XDCAM HD mov to HD Projectors."

The "best" way is to encode to H.264 and use a $100 file player such as those made by Western Digital. Otherwise encode to Apple ProRes and play from a fast computer. Please note that in my first response you should state the goal rather than make what I believe is a wrong assumption. You're taking the long way around the block for an extremely simple solution. Use a File Player or Computer for playback and don't jump through hoops to try to put XDCAM back on the camera.

[Prashant Hiraskar] "But now since I have EX3 I dont know how to dump the whole construction."

See above. Just encode to H.264 or Apple ProRes and play from any fast computer or file player.

[Prashant Hiraskar] "if I need to do the projection on full HD quality then what is the best way for me to transfer the data and keep the Masters."

Back up masters to Optical Disk (Blu-ray or XDCAM) or LTO tape.

H.264 and ProRes work fine for playback. Please explain what is not "full HD quality" about them. You seem to avoid them.



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Ian Cook
Re: transfering FCP construction back to Sony Ex3 BPAV folder
on Oct 18, 2010 at 1:27:09 pm

Hi Prashant,

Craig addressed most of your questions but I thought I'd expand a bit on exporting back to the SxS card (if that's really what you need to do) as the FCP/XDCAM Transfer workflow is not as intuitive or self-explanatory as it could be when it comes to this.

You can export an MP4 from Final Cut Pro to an SxS card, but either Clip Browser 2.6 or an EX camera/deck are indeed required to properly integrate that file into the BPAV folder structure.

You do not need to manually File-->import the MP4 using Clip Browser. When you export from FCP to an SxS card the MP4 file is automatically placed in the root of CLPR. If you go to Clip Browser and refresh this source, the file is automatically registered and integrated into a BPAV structure. A new clip folder is created using Clip Browser's XDZ_ prefix (or whatever is stored as the current title prefix in the preferences) and this folder contains the MP4 and all the necessary metadata. (You can see this happening as soon as the source is refreshed if you open a Finder window on /CLPR while refreshing the source in CB.)

If you don't have access to Clip Browser you can put the SxS card back into the camera and update the media from OTHERS-->Clip-->Update-->Select A or B. After this update the file will be registered and display a thumbnail in Media Mode.

You can also export to removable drives following the above procedure. To do this there should already be a BPAV folder on the root of the drive. You can use CB to create one if necessary. When you export from FCP, select the root of the external drive. Finder will show a loose MP4 on the root of CLPR but as soon as the source is refreshed in Clip Browser or an 'Update' done from the camera/deck menu, the file will be properly registered and the BPAV updated. This the easiest method-- of course you could also simply place any 'legal' XDCAM EX MP4 file on the root of CLPR and update from there..

XDCAM Transfer 2.12 has the capability to display 'orphaned' MP4s, so the application will show a preview for loose .mp4s in CLPR (in addition to the registered ones) and the file will be import-able without the Clip Browser / Update step. This step is only required to register the file and bring it into the existing BPAV so that it's seen as a legitimate clip in the volume on the camera or in Clip Browser.

Hope this is helpful...

Best regards,

Ian

Ian Cook
Sony Broadcast and Professional Company


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Mickey Power
Re: transfering FCP construction back to Sony Ex3 BPAV folder
on Dec 8, 2010 at 4:50:19 am

I had a problem shooting to a card and one of the clips wasn't recognised in Clip Browser. I resorted to XDCAM Transfer and exported the clip as a quicktime for FCP which I normally do anyway. However, I usually run the footage straight out of the camera to a DVD recorder with timecode so others can log the uncut footage and I also of course back up the BPAV folders as the original source. So I need to get the 7.5gb quicktime file back to the BPAV folder.

I have followed the instructions for exporting from FCP but get an error message after FCP 7.0.3 has done its bit and XDCAM Exporter takes over: "Please check volume to which you are exporting is not locked or full. [It is neither] Condition failure- os.sputn() failed in write_to()" This is exporting to either a card or hard drive.

I have also tried copying in Clip Browser but as suggested, it won't copy anything over 4gb and also won't let me split the clip.

Mickey


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