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Rafael Amador
Something big comming
on Sep 10, 2010 at 1:44:29 pm

Time to sell the NANO-Flash?

http://www.aja.com/news/index_article.php?id=125

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Craig Seeman
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 10, 2010 at 3:47:32 pm

See my above post for something else big.



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Noah Kadner
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 10, 2010 at 3:48:58 pm

Very cute little device. Been loving the original KiPro as well- so the Ki Pro Mini is a welcome addition. $1,995 may be out of some folks' price range, but if you can swing it this totally rocks.

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Don Greening
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 10, 2010 at 6:59:18 pm

I'll be swinging it, and probably twice.

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Craig Seeman
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 12:50:05 pm

Another company enters this market
http://atomos.com/
HDMI only in.
Records to Apple ProRes
Just over $1000 US.
It's really small.



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Rafael Amador
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 1:05:04 pm

Craig,
I'm seriously thinking of selling my EX-1 and my NANO-flash.
I have to stop filming for the next few months. I think i can sell my stuff now for a good price.
When back to work I will get me one of those Prores recorder, and hopefully SONY or PANA will have a decent camera to put in front. Something like the NEX -VG 10 but with the EX controls.
rafael

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Craig Seeman
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 2:04:57 pm

[Rafael Amador] "I'm seriously thinking of selling my EX-1 and my NANO-flash."
[Rafael Amador] "When back to work I will get me one of those Prores recorder, and hopefully SONY or PANA will have a decent camera to put in front."

We are truly in the strangest stage of camera development in my 30 years of video experience.
It seems we are moving to specialized and modular gear. Remember the days when a camera was a head and you bought the back/recorder you needed. Those days seem to be here again.

Sony is expanding its EX series and the range is 1/2" to 2/3" chips and is either CMOS or CCD. They are also starting into the large chip market with the VG10 and it's clear to me they'll have a "pro" model within months. Will one supplant the other or maybe they serve two different purposes? I think the latter is more likely although I dream of the "do it all" camera.

Canon comes out with a codec Sony uses in higher end cameras and includes it in their base pro cameras with XF 300 and now 100 series cameras which are all fixed lens 1/3" chip MXF MPEG-2 4:2:2 50Mbps. Yet their HDSLR line keeps becoming more video friendly but use H.264 (at 44mbps apparently). They still do horrible line skipping though. The XF 100s are designed to be "dual mounted" for 3D work.

Panasonic is coming to market with both a large chip camera as well as another camera with built in 3D.
They're using variations on AVC (H.264) with and without GOP.

And as this thread indicates, several companies are moving into the attached recorder market. It seems MPEG-2 MXF and Apple ProRes are doing battle here.

We are seeing specialization and modularity growing. The manufacturers are diversifying. ROI on a camera purchase has gotten incredibly short if one is to remain competitive. Prices really aren't cheaper given how frequently one may purchase newer models. So many are in sell/buy mode.

It's interesting that one talks of selling gear when only taking a few months hiatus but camera development is moving that quickly. We see the IBC announcements and by next NAB they'll be another round.

By next NAB Sony, Panasonic, Canon will be well into large chip interchangeable lens cameras. All with very different directions in that market though. Yet all three are making leaps forward in their 1/3" - 2/3" cameras as well. We may soon be like the still photographer with 3 cameras slung around their necks. Heck even the division between still and video has melded.

Maybe instead of selling and buying cameras, it's time to invest in "camera futures" as a business.



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Rafael Amador
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 3:15:11 pm

Really interesting times to come.
What I see is that the arrival of those new recorders open the door for small companies to enter in the camera market.
HD/SD-SDI or HDMI Out is all that a camera will need to be "Universal".
Hopefully the monopoly of the formats may finish. Is time for the big companies to start to give the people what people needs, no just what is convenient for their company plans.
rafael

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Ron Pestes
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 4:30:21 pm

The Ninjua looks really cool but only HDMI in? Isn't that a little delicate for a connector? Seems like it could get knocked loose very easily. Also, no support for 30p recording. I still want one now though!

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Craig Seeman
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 9:58:42 pm

And it's an internal hard drive rather than CF cards.
Alas something has to give to keep the price down to about $1000.
It can really help HDSLR users as an affordable way to record ProRes instead of heavily compressed H.264. if you an EX1R which has HDMI out.



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Ron Pestes
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 11:00:01 pm

Yeah, I agree about the hard drive. I would not want to trust a paying gig on hard drive reliance. I think the industry has moved on to the flash card concept for reliabality. Hmmm, maybe someone will come up with a compromise.

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Craig Seeman
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 11, 2010 at 11:42:17 pm

They note an SSD option for "rugged" but I suspect that drives up the price and shrinks storage considerably. I see 256GB max with SSD. ProRes will gobble that right up. You might get close to 3 hours record time.



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Rafael Amador
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 12, 2010 at 2:29:03 am

[Ron Pestes] "The Ninjua looks really cool but only HDMI in? Isn't that a little delicate for a connecto"
You are absolutely right.
HDMI is designed for studio or so. When you have to move around, is not a good connexion.
rafael

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Craig Seeman
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 12, 2010 at 2:54:33 am

[Rafael Amador] "HDMI is designed for studio or so. When you have to move around, is not a good connexion."

Tell that to all the people in love with HDSLR shooting. I agree but somehow people are trying to make it work. There's a whole bunch of small external field monitors people are using HDMI as well. Inexpensive iKan monitors for example.



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Don Greening
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 12, 2010 at 3:11:57 am

[Craig Seeman] "Inexpensive iKan monitors for example."

and the 9" Small HD monitor for another. It's got all the other connections too, but they're touting the HDMI in their ads. There's going to be a lot of prosumer camera owners that will be S.O.L. if they want the Ki Pro Mini but don't have HDMI or SDI. It's obvious connection space is tight but it's too bad AJA couldn't find the room for the 3 component connectors.

- Don

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Rafael Amador
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 12, 2010 at 3:20:19 am

[Don Greening] "is tight but it's too bad AJA couldn't find the room for the 3 component connectors."
Don, is not just about room to put the Components connexion. Is that you need as well a Digital/Analog converser inside the box.
rafael

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Don Greening
Re: Something big comming
on Sep 12, 2010 at 3:29:19 am

Right. I figured there must be something more to it than just the connection space. It also could be a marketing thing with AJA as well. Leave some of the components and capabilities only for the Ki Pro.

- Don

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