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Sascha Engel
Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 8, 2010 at 8:50:08 pm

Hi Everybody,

I am shooting for the first time something big with the EX1 and it will be a film in B&W.
Fot he outdoor shootings I plan to use a RED 29 Filter for the skies and indoors and with the characters a YELLOW 8 Filter to enhance skin tone.
Any tip considering the Profile Settings for a B&W Shooting.
I find a lot of suggestions on the Net, considering the Film Looks in Color, but nothin for B&W.

Please help!!!!!

Thanx.


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Craig Seeman
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 8, 2010 at 9:10:19 pm

The tough part of this is that B&W is not "a look," there are many variations.



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Rafael Amador
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 9, 2010 at 2:15:00 am

Hi Sascha,
For this task I would use Magic Bullet instead of Color.
MagicBullet "interprets" the Chroma, thing that Color can not do it.
rafael


http://www.nagavideo.com


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Sascha Engel
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 9, 2010 at 6:29:10 am

Hi Rafael,

what do you mean by that? I planned to screw down the level to -99 and shoot it with the red and yellow lenses. But I have no I idea, if there's any kind of ideal profile settings for crispy contrasted B7W picture (e.g. Knee or Matrix or Detail Settings).
But anyway - since I work a lot with MagicBullet - can you elaborate on the Chroma interpretation thing!!

Thanx.

Sascha


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Rafael Amador
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 9, 2010 at 6:47:45 am

Hi Sascha,
In Color you can only get rid of the Chroma and play with the luma levels to get your B&W.
MB have some incredible filters that takes in account the original color to produce an amazing variety of shades.
Make a test.
Pick any clip and:
- Drop the 3WCC (not necessary to adjust it).
- Drop the MB Looks ("Crush Blacks" or so).
OK. Now that you have your B&W picture, play with the colors in the 3W-CC.
You will see that depending which colors we push, we change our B&W picture.
In fact this is how B&W photography works.
These guys have done an incredible filter.
Post me if you have any question.
I'm about to upload a B&W clip. I'll let you know when is ready.
Cheers,
rafa

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Sascha Engel
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 13, 2010 at 4:46:06 pm

Hi Rafael,

unfortunately, we started shooting already, but just two days, so never too late.
This is what I did so far: I did shoot in B&W with a yellow filter 15 on top to give an accent to the skin.
But if I understand you right, then you would shoot it all still in Colour end desaturate it later in MB? Cause the Photographer I talked with told me that shooting it in B&W with the yellow filter would give a better result?!?

What do you mean by 3WCC?
"- Drop the MB Looks ("Crush Blacks" or so). " What do you mean by that?

I just had also a terrible shooting yesterday - we had a scene inside the house, where the actress is wearing a Kimono (with lots of little lines) - they are flickering and jumping disco now. I should have used a promist or diffusion filter - now I have to try to get rid of the lines in MB with some Diffusion Filters or do you have any other idea for that?


Thanx a lot.

Greetings from Holland,

Sascha


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Rafael Amador
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 13, 2010 at 5:40:06 pm

Hi Sascha,
You can not get that B&W if you desaturate.
You can't get that in Color.
To get that B&W the color is fundamental.


[Sascha Engel] "What do you mean by 3WCC?
"- Drop the MB Looks ("Crush Blacks" or so). " What do you mean by that? "

The 3W-CC is the Color Corrector filter of FC.
The "Crush Blacks" is one of the presets of MB Looks.
Is the one I've used for the clip.

To put the CC filter before, is for you to understand how important is the color to get a good B&W.
Each color will gives you a different range of grays.
If you desaturate, you have only the 256 levels of the Luminance, and you just can play the contrast.
Keeping the Chroma, you have millions of grays.

[Sascha Engel] "- they are flickering and jumping disco now. I should have used a promist or diffusion filter - now I have to try to get rid of the lines in MB with some Diffusion Filters or do you have any other idea for that? "
Some times a simple flicker filter can fixit.
Ty that first

rafae



http://www.nagavideo.com


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Sascha Engel
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 14, 2010 at 8:06:08 pm

Thanx a lot for your help !!!!!

Sascha


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Michael Slowe
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 15, 2010 at 9:53:16 am

Rafael I too enjoyed watching your excerpt, it looked fabulous. BUT, would it not have looked even better in colour? The lovely misty backgrounds just cried out for colour and, wonderful though your B & W is, why did you choose that? Having said that I loved it. Just when I was wondering whether you encountered any resentment we saw one guy put his hand toward the camera and a girl washing turned round suddenly on a warning. Great stuff.

Michael Slowe


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Rafael Amador
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 15, 2010 at 11:58:04 am

Hi Michael,
I appreciate very much your feedback.
The clip is very "limited".
I made the B&W once the footage was downscaled for the web.
I should never have put the firsts shots.
The vignette doesn't works with the mist, making an strange circular halo.
Bur really, Michael, I don't think is possible to get something similar in Color.
In Color, apart of desaturate and play with the contrast, I don't see many possibilities.
You end up with something looking like B&W TV.

MB Looks uses the 3 color channels to produce an incredible range of shadows.
Combined with the 3W-CC and his "limiter" the possibilities are infinite.


About the circumstances of the shooting, I left the natural audio for the people to know I'm not any kind of paparazzi :-)
I had all the kids, boyfriends and husband of the ladies beside me. They know me since 10 years ago.
And behind these nice pictures, a drama that seems interest nobody.
In a few years time my pictures may be the only remaining of these fabulous people.
Happy Lao New Year,
rafael


http://www.nagavideo.com


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Michael Slowe
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 15, 2010 at 1:04:57 pm

Rafael, I don't mean why did you use color (the software application) but why didn't you want the film to be in colour as opposed to B & W? It looked lovely anyway as wrote in my post.

Michael Slowe


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Rafael Amador
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 15, 2010 at 2:46:11 pm

Hi Michael,
Sorry I miss understood you.
In few places of the World you can find people as colorful as the people of the tribes of the North of Laos ( please have a look to this old clip: http://www.vimeo.com/693104).
Any serious filmmaker would pay to shoot in a mountain market over there.
I'm filming them since almost 10 years and I have stuff to make few documentaries.
I could be making incredibly colorful video-postcards for the tourism industry, but I would be ashamed of trading with the pictures of my friends without telling the real story that lies behind the pictures, and I'm not allowed to tell the real story.
I think that the B&W makes you focus more in what is going on while doesn't breaks the bucolic mood of the river scenes (to say something).
Any way this have been just a test, and just for fun.
If I ever do something about the Akhas, I'll try to do it better.
They deserve it.
Cheers,
rafael


http://www.nagavideo.com


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Sascha Engel
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 19, 2010 at 10:17:51 am

Hi Rafael,

do you mean a Flicker Filter, as a Lens Filter or a software Filter/


Thanx.


Sascha


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Rafael Amador
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 10, 2010 at 6:02:03 pm

Hi Sascha,
Please have a look to this clip:

http://reels.creativecow.net/film/4452

Is just a test, but I think that the B&W is great.
rafael


http://www.nagavideo.com


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Sascha Engel
Re: Profile Settings for B&W Shootings????
on Apr 13, 2010 at 5:00:02 pm

Looks amazing! Did you just Desaturate the a Color Shot?

Greetings,


Sascha


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