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Randy Hopkins
EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 9:20:24 pm

I've been approached to act as a camera operator using an EX1 for an upcoming ABC sports project, and the project requires the ability to record and stream the footage on the fly to server space in California. Wirelessly. It will then be edited down and broadcast "live".

I'm familiar with the camera, but not familiar at all with the prospect of wireless capturing.

The producer I'm in contact with is currently using four XL2's, all of which are accomplishing this with something called a Dazzle Box. He has asked me to do some research on what it's going to take to make this happen using EX1 cameras and full HD streaming.

My question is, what solutions are there out there for full HD capturing like this? A mobile solution is a must (as there will be no way to lug around laptops connected to each camera), and he seems to think there is a device that exists that interfaces with the camera and an IP address.

I really don't even know where to start here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Craig Seeman
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 9:36:38 pm

[Randy Hopkins] "A mobile solution is a must (as there will be no way to lug around laptops connected to each camera),"

So even a laptop isn't mobile enough?

See this as a possible solution
http://liveu.com/
this box
http://www.liveu.tv/images/LU-30_00.jpg
and this
http://www.liveu.tv/overview_ethereal_tv.html

LiveStream has the same box under their own branding called LivePack as a lease unit.

Basically it bonds 6 channels (can include 3G) and dynamically allocates the channels based on current conditions for best upstream speed. I believe it's currently firewire camera in only although it has composite and SDI as an option.

Brochure
http://www.liveu.tv/LiveU_Brochure_Q108.pdf


BTW I'm using EX1 with Matrox MXO2-LE (HD-SDI IN) and Telestream Wirecast to stream but that assumes a beefy laptop and fast upstream access. I can set it up on a desk put I'm not sure if I'd want to strap it to my back. It can work if you're staying one place in a stadium with fast wifi access.






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Randy Hopkins
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 9:51:31 pm

Thanks for the quick and helpful response.

The reason a laptop won't work for this application is that each camera will be constantly moving and changing locations. It's a reality TV concept.

I guess another way to phrase the end goal is this: we need the ability for editors to pull down the footage from servers in as close to real time as possible. I don't know if that's the same thing as saying we need to be able to "live stream".

I will definitely look into LiveU. Thanks again.

I'd welcome with open arms any other ideas/suggestions.


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Randy Hopkins
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 9:54:17 pm

I also came across this, which sounds like a more elaborate version of what we're looking for:

http://www.focusinfo.com/solutions/px-xdcam.asp

Live asset management is really what we're looking at, it's just the means of doing so [very] portably and wirelessly that we need a solution for.


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Craig Seeman
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 10:16:45 pm

That doesn't look like a live streaming server.

You need to send wirelessly to a server. That's what LiveU is designed to do.
Either you need WiFi, 3G or satellite transmission if you want "live on the fly."

Otherwise you can wait until after the event and FTP the files at much larger sizes.



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Randy Hopkins
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 10:23:43 pm

LiveU is most likely what we're looking for then.

I'll give them a call to see if I can find something out about their pricing structure.

Thanks again Craig.


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Craig Seeman
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 10:35:12 pm

Just in case you may want to look at Livestream's LivePack which is the same hardware but I believe a pricing structure targeted to their users. Of course they're focused on you actually being able to broadcast live rather than just real time server delivery.

This form of delivery sans satellite transmission is still in its early days. The idea of "bonding" channels, especially dynamically is still bleeding edge new. There was a good article about it in a recent StreamingMedia. Basically it's a means for live news delivery where a Satellite just isn't practical or fast enough to get to a location. There's some risk involved given the vagaries of 3G or the luck with public wifi. Bonding channels reduces risk immensely but doesn't entirely eliminate it.



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Randy Hopkins
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 1, 2010 at 11:48:18 pm

I'll check out LiveStream as well. I checked out that StreamingMedia article, definitely an interesting read.


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Rafael Amador
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Feb 2, 2010 at 4:04:23 pm

The amazing NANO have an option for streaming (ASI In/Out):
http://69.15.88.17/downloads/nanoFlash/nanoFlash_intro.pdf
400 grams, perfect to shoot and run.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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Gil Baxton
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Sep 20, 2010 at 7:54:00 pm

How about the new Dejero with H.264 HD codec, 1 sec latency... http://www.spectratech.gr/en/product/13761/Dejero_Live_Platform
It was nominated as Broadcast Pick Hit 2010.
Has anybody used it in real ENG conditions?


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Craig Seeman
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Sep 20, 2010 at 8:08:46 pm

This?
http://www.dejero.com/
given this
http://www.dejero.com/comparing_dejero
less than 10% cost of $750,000 Satellite Truck would put it in the price of under $75,000 or so.
Where to Buy goes to a contact page. At that price I hope they have rental because with the kind of changes going on in remote transmission that's got to have a very short ROI to make it worthwhile. The technology is changing VERY FAST in that industry.



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Gil Baxton
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Sep 21, 2010 at 7:51:24 pm

Actually the system is around 20k , not cheap ,but cheaper than any small Sat system. How much does a Live U cost?


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Craig Seeman
Re: EX1 Live HD streaming/capture question
on Sep 21, 2010 at 11:49:03 pm

[Gil Baxton] "Actually the system is around 20k ,"

Actually that's not a bad price for what it does. I think LiveU costs more. I believe Livestream rents for $2500 a month though. I think many may prefer to go a rental route given the rapid changes in the technology.



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