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Rich Okonski
shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 1:05:12 pm

Good day. I have an EX-1 and am still experimenting with the best settings for outdoor sports. I am filming lacrosse, which, like most other full field sports, is fast moving and will require alot of panning. What do you folks use for shutter speed while shooting in 720p60 0r 1080i60 to avoid the "Private Ryan" effect?

Thanks in advance!

Rich Okonski


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john sharaf
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 2:04:32 pm

Rick,

At 60p or 60i the default shutter off is 1/60th of a second. that would be best. Once you turn shutter on you're shortening the exposure and making very frame sharper and more subject to strobing with movement.

JS



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Rich Okonski
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 4:43:36 pm

Thanks John, I think I understand. In terms of typical shooting for a sporting event, if you wanted to provide an ability for the coach to scrub through the video, you would either have somewhat blurry still frames if quick motion was present, or you would get somewhat clear still frames and video that has a strobing quality to a degree. Is there any happpy medium between? I know, the best way is to experiment.
Tx
Rich



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john sharaf
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 4:40:33 pm

I think you'll find the 60p shutter off to be the best compromise for both watching at real time and frame by frame. If you were to do a test I would try 1/120th second or 180 degree shutter for comparison. Also keep on mind that the display you watch on is a consideration, with LCD's having a faster refresh (some even 120 MHZ) than a CRT. Most likely you're watching on LCD though.

JS





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Greg Barker
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 6:39:49 pm

Hi Rich. I've had really nice results for football and soccer using 720p60 at 1/250th on bright clear days. Really nice crisp frames without the Private Ryan effect you mentioned. Nice clear pans and zooms. I tried 1/60th but it was too blurry when I was tracking the action. I've also tried 1080p30 shutter off (not smooth enough for the action I was tracking) and 1080i60 looked a little too soft during quick movement. Hope that helps.

- Greg



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Rich Okonski
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 6:45:36 pm

Hi Greg. Thanks for the feedback. Today is a bright, sunny day, so I may just try that. As fate would have it, I will be "filming" in about an hour. Appreciate the feedback. Atleast I have a good base to work from between your advise and John's.

Tx

Rich



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Craig Seeman
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on Apr 29, 2009 at 7:53:18 pm

and I'll be shooting an INDOOR Tennis Tournament today. I'm hoping the client will like the 720p60 look.
I've used both 1080p30 and 1080i60 before.



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Bengt-Goran Bengtsson
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on May 1, 2009 at 6:05:09 pm

Hi Rich,
Do not forget to keep the ND filter OFF! and then select a shutter speed as high as possible in the light you have. Keep the IRIS around 4-5.6. I like a shutter 1/2000 for sports. Naturally it gives a "strobing" picture but that is what I whant. Each picture is sharp as can be. You can do a printout of each frame. 1080/30p (25p) is twice as sharp but but naturally twice as "stroby".
Maybe I also would select 7000K in a preset in a picture profile to give the picture a warm colour.
/BG


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Greg Barker
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on May 1, 2009 at 6:16:09 pm

Hello BG. I have to shoot a couple of events again tomorrow and I'm curious about your comment to keep the neutral density filters off. Is that because you need all of the light you can get at 1/2000th shutter speed or have you found some other adverse reason to using the ND filter? Thanks.

- Greg



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Bengt-Goran Bengtsson
Re: shutter speed for sports in 720p60 0r 1080i60
on May 2, 2009 at 2:52:20 pm

yes. you need all light you can get for fast shutter. I was out today playing with my camera, filming my grand children! I used 1080 25p (PAL country) and 1/2000 shutter Iris 4 and gamma: Cine2. It is possible to film with that settings outdoor with the sky not overexposed and still have a good picture also in the shadows. No overexposure and it is possible to play with gamma after.
Note that the lens is not iris 1.9 more than at wide angle. At fll zoom you have 2.8 so never shoot more opend than that.
/BG


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