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Rick Wise
shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 23, 2009 at 7:16:41 pm

Any recommendations based on first-hand experience a support system for the EX1 for extended hand-held shooting?

Rick Wise
director of photography
Oakland, CA
http://www.RickWiseDP.com
email: Rick@RickWiseDP.com


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Craig Seeman
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 23, 2009 at 7:48:14 pm

I'd add has anybody used
CVP Shoulder support
or
Vortex Media Shoulder support




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Michael Slowe
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 23, 2009 at 9:31:38 pm

The Vortex does look interesting but quite cumbersome. I have often meant to ask if anyone has used it. Had a feel of the EX3 today but it's not any easier than the EX1 and it's heavier and more expensive! I investigated the possibility of getting the eyepiece attachment of the EX3 from Sony and finding a way to fix it on to the EX1 screen. Could be done, it's not heavy and it un clips. I found also that it would cost over £300, crazy when you see what it really is!

Michael Slowe


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William Urschel
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 4:14:18 am

I have tried 6 devices, some shoulder, some shoulder waist, some waist, and the one short of a tripod or a good monopod that I like best is the Davis and Sanford by Tiffen Steady Stick - a great, non debilitating waist support, and I've steadily and cvery comfortably held the camera for four or five hours at a time - and I'm not htat strong! And it offers the greatest flexibility for vertical and horizontal pans while providing a solid platform. By the way, that CVP really attracted me until I found out that UK company evidently wanted hundreds of dollars to ship it - no way! Another really disappointing one for me was "The Gliders", which has a myriad of adjustments, and potentially good support, but there is no way I can tighten up one critial fulcrum to keep the whole thing from flopping forward on its lower chest support - I may just have a defective product - I really would have liked to have seen it work. since it has both a lower chest support as well as the shoulder hook similar to the CVP, at a considerably lesser price, many more adjustments, and much more substantial construction - if only I could tighten up a "Pull and Turn" knob on it - and by the way, it was recommended VERY highly by a prominately respected videographer on this site!



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Max Reid
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 5:09:10 pm

I have a old funky shoulder brace of unknown brand for the PD-150 that looks a lot lit the CVP unit. It hooks over the shoulder and has a little arm come out to mount the camera. With a little adjusting I got it to work for the EX3. It's nice in that it's light and small. it's amazing what a wonderful hand held camera the EX3 becomes with the brace. The bad balance disappears, the EX3 seems to weigh almost nothing and I the fatigue is minimal.

One other advantage of this old brace is that it places the lens about 4 inches below my eyeline, so when I am shooting, the eyepiece is sloped down at about a 30 degree angle. I am left-eyed so this allows me to see OVER the camera with my right eye. Love it.

But the CVP unit looks pretty good too. Anyone try it?

Max Reid
http://www.maxreid.net








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Michael Slowe
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 5:25:14 pm

Max, does it look anything like the Vortex one, if you've seen a picture of it? I use the EX1 but it still could use a brace but it's lighter than the EX3.

Michael Slowe


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Max Reid
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 6:55:22 pm

This old brace I have doesn't look like the Vortex brace. The Vortex hooks over the shoulder in the back. My brace is more like the CVP in that it hooks onto the back of the shoulder but comes down in the front-- If you can imagine a sideways letter "P" with the hump part of the "P" turned up and fitting over your shoulder and the bottom part coming out to support the camera four inches or so below the top of your shoulder.

The Vortex brace might work fine, and I haven't used it, but from what I have seen, it holds the camera fairly high. If you can get the camera down, so the lens is below your eye, the camera can fit closer to your body, taking the weight off your arms and making steady shots easier.

Max Reid
http://www.maxreid.net





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Michael Slowe
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 25, 2009 at 11:27:03 am

Max, the thing about the Vortex brace is that it sounds as though you can get the camera higher than yours. I find that shooting people (sounds illegal) I constantly have to remember to keep the camera in their eyeline otherwise you get the dreaded 'nostril' shot.

Michael Slowe


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Max Reid
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 25, 2009 at 2:53:58 pm

Well, I'm 6 ft 4 in tall, so getting the camera lower is good. I've often put the brace under my arm pit to get even lower.


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Jeremy Wilker
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 7:50:48 pm

I also got the Gliders brace after reading a certain good review and it has exactly the same problem you describe. The main pivot point will not get tight enough for any camera (EX3 or DVX100A). I tried to get the mounting screw out of the brace so I could add a rubber gasket/washer or something but even with a seemingly large amount of pressure it would not budge and seemed on the verge of breaking the brace. Anyone have any idea how that screw mounts into the brace? I'm tempted to drill it out and replace it so I can actually get it tight. That said, it has a few other flaws in my opinion (except that price is so nice!): the monopod for the waist/hip is not nearly long enough. It rests right on my middle abdomen which means my breathing moves the camera. It should, I think, rest right on my hip bone area. Also the screw that mounts the camera to the brace should have "sprockets" on it instead of being just a round knurled knob -- too hard to get a good grip on it right now and it is a tight space.


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Chris Babbitt
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 7:13:49 pm

This appears to be the same unit as the one CVP sells. It looks like it is available from a few different E-Bay sellers. Very cheap! Philip Bloom gave it a rave review on his web site. Here's the E-Bay address:
Sorry, I don't know how to post a link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shoulder-Body-Support-Tripod-for-Video-Camera-Camcorder...





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Chris Babbitt
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 24, 2009 at 8:54:38 pm

Here's another version. Seems almost too good to be true.

http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230320484542




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Andrew Stone
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 25, 2009 at 1:18:43 am

Actually that rig does work. Philip Bloom on his blog refers to it as "the elcheapo" shoulder rig.

Of the midrange stuff I have found the "Media Rig" to be very good but it harness/rig makes you HIGHLY visible in a crowd. Cinevate makes an interesting shoulder rig that utilizes the Proteus Rails device that is gaining popularity. If you can hold your nose and drop lots of money the Zacuto Newsman package rig works really well with a EX1/EX3 and you can sport a Letus with it and simply adjust the over the shoulder counter balance and you're in business. Any shoulder rig that takes your hand off the camera handle will require a remote zoom on the handle of the shoulder rig so factor that in when you are making your decision.


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Rick Wise
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 25, 2009 at 6:52:07 pm

It looks like the DvRig JR, similar in design to the Tiffen stick, works well for the EX1. Adam Wilt describes using it on a feature he shot this last summer and liking it a lot. (http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/awilt/story/maelstrom_production_par...)The DvRig JR is more expensive ($320 VS. $100), but includes a pan-tilt head and a shock-absorber column.

Wilt writes in part: "The DvRig’s spring-loaded center column carries the weight, while its dual-axis fluid head (tilt and dutch-tilt axes) allows full freedom to aim the camera as needed. The Rig will remain on the camera for all but a fraction of the shooting, and I now consider it an essential accessory for EX1 handheld work."




Rick Wise
director of photography
Oakland, CA
http://www.RickWiseDP.com
email: Rick@RickWiseDP.com


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Chris Babbitt
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 26, 2009 at 12:33:06 am

Based on my own experience with the DV-Rig Jr. and the EX-1, I cannot recommend it. Maybe if you are using the camera bare with no light, wireless mikes or wide angle lens attachment. Otherwise, the camera is just too heavy for this unit. If anyone wants to try it, mine's for sale.



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Rick Wise
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Jan 27, 2009 at 12:02:10 am

Thanks very, very much to all of you who have responded to this post. My summary of your suggestions and advice for a rig that carries some/much of the weight on the hips is:

--the least expensive solution that any shooter likes: $100 (B&H) the Steady Stick Compact. Disadvantage as far as I can see: no shock absorber

--the next up in expense: $320 the DvRig Junior; one poster does not like it, but Adam Wilt does a whole lot; advantage: shock absorbers, right hand on camera with access to zoom rocker, left hand free to adjust focus etc., able to tilt up/down, and dutch; disadvantage, B&H does not sell it so no discount; must buy at full price from maker

--and then: $382 (B&H) Varizoom DV Traveler; also shock absorbers, also ability to tilt, dutch; but both hands locked to handles; requires a remote zoom controller; uncertain if can free left hand to focus etc.

--the most expensive solution: $1,000 (B&H) Easy Rig Turtle X; no one here has suggested this rig. The one review on B&H is not good but I'm not sure the guy knew enough.

I have not listed any of the Cine City rigs (http://thecinecity.com/tcc/home.php?cat=3)as they have to be shipped from India, making them extra expensive. Also, they seem to take support too high -- abdomen -- which means they will rise and fall with your breath if you breathe (as you should) from your "stomach" instead of high in the chest.

My conclusion: for an EX1 with no add-ons other than possibly a wide-angle lens, the DvRig Junior is the one to get. From one post it would appear that if you add lights, sound, then the rig will not handle the weight effectively. If you need to do that, then it looks like you need to go to the Varizoom rig, and add remote controls to attach to the hand grips.

Rick Wise
director of photography
Oakland, CA
http://www.RickWiseDP.com
email: Rick@RickWiseDP.com


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Rick Wise
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on May 20, 2010 at 8:51:56 pm

To add to my previous post: There is now a sort-of-clone of the Easyrig made by Atlas that looks very promising, especially for someone who needs to shoot long segments hand held. Costs around $350. http://atlascamerasupport.com/

Rick Wise
director of photography
San Francisco Bay Area
and part-time instructor lighting and camera
grad school, SF Academy of Art University/Film and Video
http://www.RickWiseDP.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/rwise
email: Rick@RickWiseDP.com


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Max Reid
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Feb 1, 2009 at 3:01:17 am

Chris--

I thought this shoulder brace you pointed out on ebay seemed worth a try-- I got it for $21 and $20 shipping. It's pretty good. Made of high impact plastic, it looks like it will take a lot of banging around. The chest pad can rest on the side of my chest, which pretty much seems to eliminate breathing movement. It's made in India by Sonia.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hands-Free-Camcorder-Video-Camera-Shoulder-PAD-Support_...

Looks like they are catching on-- the other prices for the same thing went all the way up to $60.

Max Reid





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Chris Babbitt
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Feb 1, 2009 at 4:07:52 pm

I got one too. It appears to be identical to the CVP unit. Well constructed. A real deal.



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Bob Mark
Re: shoulder/hip support for EX1 - extended hand-held shooting
on Feb 5, 2009 at 3:19:09 pm

A friend bought a Cavision unit and likes it very much.
http://www.cavision.com/rods/shoulderpads.htm

Bob


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