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Mark Slocombe
Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 15, 2008 at 11:06:39 am


In the tape-based workflow, in FCP, we have always enabled client pre-edit logging for certain project types eg 4hrs of testimonials, by giving client a copy of rushes with burnt in timecode - they log in/out, name and sort clips into edit order on an Excel spreadsheet, which we import to FCP to then batch capture the clips from tape. Huge amount of edit work is therefore done.

In tapeless (we're using XDCAM EX) it seems that clips in a FCP batch list cannot be relinked to media that's already captured - so our Excel edit log route won't work.

Has anyone devised a solution to this problem (we don't want to be outputting XDCAM material back to tape to create client review DVDs!)?

Mark Slocombe
CreationVideo Ltd
http://www.creationvideo.co.uk


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Rick Dolishny
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 17, 2008 at 1:10:08 pm

Welcome to the world of tapeless, where productions save hundreds on a camera rental but pay thousands more in post.

What it means is your rate just went up because rather than dealing with throwing a tape into a deck and capturing a 10 second clip you have to import an hour.

And store it on YOUR drives rather than the clients $25 tape.

It's not perfect. Actually, XDCAM (not EX) is close in that you can just grab what you need if you capture via HDSDI. The more I deal with it the more I really like XDCAM (not EX).

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Mark Slocombe
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 18, 2008 at 7:35:54 am

Hi Rick - do you mean using an XDCAM deck with discs in it from the larger XD cameras? Could the XDCAM EX deck with sxs cards in it do the same thing?

Mark Slocombe
CreationVideo Ltd
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Rick Dolishny
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 18, 2008 at 11:00:29 am

That's what I mean.

Should they - yes.
Do they - sadly, no.

Sony kinda mislead a lot of people tagging EX under the XDCAM badge.

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Mark Slocombe
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 18, 2008 at 1:45:11 pm

So if we had XDCAM disc deck could we in theory:

- capture EX clips
- copy them to XDCAM disc
- make client review DVD with burnt in TC from XDCAM disc > DVD recorder
- client logs in Excel as usual
- we make FCP batch list from Excel as usual
- we import specific clips only from the XDCAM deck

I guess this IS do-able? Would the Sony PDW-F30 do it (I guess yes), or even better, the Sony PDW-D1?

Mark Slocombe
CreationVideo Ltd
http://www.creationvideo.co.uk


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Rick Dolishny
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 20, 2008 at 9:28:31 pm

No, that's not possible. Sorry.

You have to shoot XDCAM to get the benefits of XDCAM workflow. Thanks, Sony!

It's really misleading what Sony has done calling the media the EX1 records a badge under XDCAM. They are really different formats.

- Rick

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Mark Slocombe
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 20, 2008 at 9:43:45 pm

Hmmm... then it actually looks like it will be quicker to output the captured EX files via FCP back onto tape, making timecoded DVD for client simultaneously, then batch importing from the tape - workflow weirdness!

Mark Slocombe
CreationVideo Ltd
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Rick Dolishny
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 21, 2008 at 2:12:54 pm

That works for a couple of reasons. You get a backup (tape) and don't have to deal with floating an entire shoot on YOUR drives.

I hate shooting on miniDV tapes so ditching them for anything (SXS, P2, etc) is a step up. Even if it introduces other issues down the road. At least you're going forward knowing this workflow so you can prepare (bill the client) without surprises.

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Mark Slocombe
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 21, 2008 at 2:19:42 pm

Thanks for the positive affirmation! Now I won't feel completely crazy when 'going backwards'! (Another benefit, we can dub onto 184min tapes/DVDs - recycling old ones, yay! - so at least less fiddly than 60min miniDV tapes) Now I am loving my new workflow!

Mark Slocombe
CreationVideo Ltd
http://www.creationvideo.co.uk


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Mark Slocombe
Re: Using batch lists from Client edit logs - in tapeless
on Sep 30, 2008 at 5:52:39 pm

Hey Rick

It seems that the MainConcept Conversion Pack #2
http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=21901

will enable us to "easily copy XDCAM EX footage (SxS memory card) to XDCAM HD / HD422 camcorders and decks (Professional Disc)."

Does that mean that my workflow below might be do-able? (I don't have either deck or any experiencve of XDCAM discs...) > I mean, can the decks themselves do batch capture from FCP?

So if we had XDCAM disc deck could we in theory:


- copy the MainConcept transcoded to XDCAM disc
- make client review DVD with burnt in TC from XDCAM disc > DVD recorder
- client logs in Excel as usual
- we make FCP batch list from Excel as usual
- we import specific clips only from the XDCAM deck

Would the Sony PDW-F30 do it, or even better, the Sony PDW-D1?



Mark Slocombe
CreationVideo Ltd
http://www.creationvideo.co.uk


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