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Ofer Levy
Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 1, 2008 at 2:03:13 pm

Hi all,

I am a nature photographer who recently moved to filmmaking. I am currently using the Sony Z7 (PAL) with various Nikon still lenses mounted via an adapter and I am thrilled with the results. However, since I hope to be able to sell my work to broadcasters I realise the HDV is not the way to go.

I am very excited about the Sony PMX EX3 which is supposed to have interchangeable lenses option.
My question is - whether the footage obtained with the EX3 is 100% broadcasting quality?

Thanks !
Ofer Levy
http://www.oferlevyphotography.com


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Craig Seeman
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 1, 2008 at 3:42:14 pm

What is
[Ofer Levy] "100% broadcasting quality? "

CNN has used what looks like cell phone video but I don't think Discovery HD would accept that for a full nature documentary.

You'd probably need to ask the specific channel/network what they accept because they vary for hired work and hired/commissioned work may be different than selling a completed doc on the market.




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Noah Kadner
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 1, 2008 at 3:51:34 pm

Greatly depends on the broadcaster involved. Definitely you'll have better luck with the EX1 as it's full 1920x1080 24p and it well shot and exposed in 35 Mbit will likely impress a higher number of broadcasters than a Z7 would. Still to be sure you might want to investigate something even higher end such as a nice ENG style camera. I'd also highly recommend finding out more about the broadcasters you intend to pitch and their requirements. It's quite tricky to sell a doc without a prior arrangement of some sort- especially when you're on the edge with broadcast requirements.

Noah

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Michael Palmer
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 1, 2008 at 4:17:40 pm

The EX series cameras are definitely capable of recording for any network broadcast. As far as HDV for broadcast goes there is a don't ask don't tell common philosophy, it's all about the content. With any video format good photography skills make good images and IMO HDV is even broadcast quality if it is used correctly.

I would like to suggest a new product that I'm looking forward to adding to my inventory list that may be what you should look at first, it's the Convergent Design XDR Compact Flash HD-SDI recorder. The EX series cameras and some HDV cameras have the HD-SDI uncompressed signal that can be recorded with less compression using the XDR, as you choose the compression level from HDV 25Mbps all the way to 160 Mbps All I-frame 4:2:2. There are HDV cameras with HDMI (another uncompressed HD signal) that can be converted to HD-SDI that can also use to produce unbelievable images. You may already have the camera you need and recording at a higher bit rate would definitely raise the quality of over it's HDV compression. The XDR Nano will have the ability to use HDMI directly from the camera and should be available by the fall. The XDR should be available by end of summer.
http://www.convergent-design.com/


Good Luck
Michael Palmer


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Sverker Hahn
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 2, 2008 at 1:36:14 pm

Fairly new to HD video, I cannot quite understand what the XDR can do for me. I understand that it is better to use less compression, but how great is the change?

Normal clips with EX1 are very good, but dark shots show quite a lot of noise. Are noise in general the reason to invest in gear like XDR? - And it also comes with more investments, like faster drives and connections - in my case also a Mac Pro ...

Is it so much better that you immediatly see it in your clips?

Or is it more like "I work with undcompressed video" and the broadcasting company says "Then we are interested, of course".

And is it obvious when you see the final product - a DVD, a Blu-ray disk or a broadcast?





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Ofer Levy
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 2, 2008 at 2:48:51 pm

Thanks for your input guys!

This new XDR device sounds very interesting to me! I realise that using a small sensor camera like the Sony Z7 I am currently using has a HUGE advantage for wildlife filmmaking as every still lens I use becomes x7 more powerful. (a 400mm lens behaves like ~3000mm lens !! )
If I could keep on using my Sony Z7 and get an uncompressed HD which will be good enough for broadcasting - I will be very happy.
The Sony Z7 doesn't have HD-SDI but it does have the HDMI so I hope this can work with the new XDR device.



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Mike Schell
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 2, 2008 at 6:21:42 pm

The Flash XDR / nanoFlash should make your video acceptable to all the networks. The BBC requires a minimum of 50Mbps 4:2:2 MPEG2 for it's content. As Michael Palmer mentioned, the Flash XDR and it's brother the nanoFlash can record at 50 or 100 Mbps Long-GOP or up to 160 Mbps in I-Frame only mode. At the 50 Mbps the image quality is certainly above DVCProHD and at the 100 Mbps level, the video is visually indistinguishable from uncompressed.

You won't need a big upgrade to your hard-drive or PC/MAC to support these data-rates, as most drives can easily handle multiple streams of MPEG2 (50 Mbps = 6.5 MBytes/sec, 100 Mbps = 13 MBytes; most drives are good for 30 to 40 MBytes I/O).

We have posted some comparison still images on our website. We'll also have some comparisons of complex video and green/blue screen comparisons shortly. In addition to improved resolution and reduced mosquito noise, you get a much better key with 4:2:2 color space as compared to 4:2:0 found in HDV or the 35 Mbps EX1/EX3.

Mike Schell
Convergent Design


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Ofer Levy
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jun 2, 2008 at 11:18:32 pm

Thank you Mike! This is absolutely fantastic news for me!!

I will get in touch with you through your website.

Cheers,

Ofer Levy
Sydney



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Jacob von Kreuz
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jan 22, 2010 at 10:42:41 pm

Hi Michael,

I just got an EX3, is there any way around this XDR Compact Flash HD-SDI recorder to obtain 4:2:2?

Can I output HDMI into anywhere else in order to get that color info or is that the only way available so far?

Thanx,

JvK


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Don Greening
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jan 22, 2010 at 11:00:05 pm

[Jacob von Kreuz] "Can I output HDMI into anywhere else in order to get that color info or is that the only way available so far? "

It's certainly not the only way available but it's the most portable and least expensive way. An alternative would be the AJA Ki Pro but that looks to be more for a studio setting. It's records HD-SDI/HDMI, etc. to hard drive. And it only records Apple Pro Res.

http://www.aja.com/

- Don


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Rafael Amador
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Jan 23, 2010 at 2:24:48 am

Hi Jacob,
Have a look to the nano-Flash (the younger brother of the XDR):
http://www.convergent-design.com/
This device rocks Jacob. Is the best (the only) option for portable-high quality recording.
There are other devices, like the Ki-Pro pointed by Don, that offers 10b recording, but no real mobility.
The nano-Flash is a bit bigger than a cigarretes box.
The footage is accepted by all the bigs (BBC, Discovery,etc).
With that attached to your EX-1/3 IMHO you have the best available rig to shoot documentaries for the price you go to pay.Options for a better picture?
- A camera with a 2/3" CCD/CMOS; The SONY's with 2/3" captors; much more expensive, and recording only 50Mbps (NANO records 280Mbps).
- 10b Recording: The new PANA 300 have a 1/3" CCD. The PANA 500 have a 2/3" CCD. This one should yields a very good picture.
An advantage of the NANO is that the workflow is the simplest that you can imagine: Drag&drop from the CompactFlash card to the HD. No need of transcoding like with the P2.
Another advantage of the NANO is that you can use it with whatever camera have HD/SD-SDI.
I love my NANO. Is a "good bye" to the misery of the compressed formats.
rafael



http://www.nagavideo.com


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Peter von Puttkamer
Re: Sony PMX EX3 for wildlife documentary
on Oct 2, 2011 at 7:38:07 pm

We regularly produce award-winning wildlife/nature/travel shows for all the major global TV networks. I've just had DIscovery International turn down the EX1/EX3 for A Camera acquisition. Anything under 50mb- they won't accept. Ex1 can be used for B camera use- 15-20% total of your show only. I've tried nano-flash on my 100mb HDX-900 camera, but frankly can't see the difference at 220mb vs 100mb- even in tight macro, fine detail shooting. I'm told you can only see differences on a scope- once you go over 100mb. Doesn't seem worth the thousands of dollars for the nano-flash. Tried the Canon 5D for some insert shots and dramatic recreations. It does not work well in bright, outdoor/wide shooting at all- and highlights look very blown out. You need a proper full-sized ENG camera 2/3", 100mb at least, to meet the demands of the international TV networks- delivery specs.


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