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tedjac
Sony XDCAM HD vs. Sony HDCAM...
on Sep 29, 2006 at 3:00:56 pm

I know some would call this an apples vs. oranges question, but I have been asked to get opinions on this. We have both right now and the powers that be are interested in getting 2 more XDCAM HDs and dumping the HDCAM... to have fewer formats, save 25% on media, etc. Has anyone done any serious comparisons between the two? I have both at my disposal but haven't had the free time to mkae a really close image quality comparison. I have been capturing through the HD-SDI output through a Kona 3 card using 1080i/60 8 bit uncompressed for both and while I haven't done a really close look, they seem to cut together pretty well. I guess I'm looking for a reason to keep the HDCAM. We are shooting primarily for HDTV and DVD, as well as internet... no 24p feature films in the works ;-) Opinions and experinces please...

Ted


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Steve Connor
Re: Sony XDCAM HD vs. Sony HDCAM...
on Sep 29, 2006 at 7:18:01 pm

They do cut together very well, there is obviously more flexibility in the HDCam cameras as there are more settings, but if you want "Just Enough" HD the XDCam HD is fine, you have to work a bit harder than with the HDCam cameras but I've been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Plus the fact the workflow ROCKS and you don't need an expensive HDCam deck to capture from.

Just my opinion


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Steve Wargo
Except...
on Sep 29, 2006 at 11:14:43 pm

The camera only puts out a 3.2 pulldown sequence. You need the upper level XDCAM-HD deck if you plan on editing native 23.98 footage


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Ron Exalto
Re: Except...
on Sep 30, 2006 at 8:48:34 pm

Depends on your editing system. If you can ingest the MXF files directly then you can edit 24p without importing thru HD-SDI (and it's quicker then realtime, they say, haven't tried it yet).


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Greg Penetrante
Re: Except...
on Oct 2, 2006 at 2:06:35 am

Hello,

I just did an XDCam HD import right into FCP 5.1.2. 23.98fps footage. Load time for 1 hour of raw footage was approximately 35 minutes. A bit faster than real time. The Import software looks and works great.

cheers,


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Nik Manning
Re: Except...
on Oct 4, 2006 at 4:01:40 am

how does the dof compare to hdcam. Is there a noticeable difference?


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nancy sada
Re: Except...
on Oct 4, 2006 at 5:41:12 pm

Yes---you are talking about 1/2" chips versus 2/3 inch chips.


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Michael Brennan
Re: Except...
on Oct 7, 2006 at 5:14:59 pm


In progressive mode the camera looses resolution because it is not a true progressive chip they fudge the progressive part.
It looses more res at 60p.

Acceptable resolution and nosie levels often varies from project to project.
HDCAM is soft compared to HDCAMSR
720p is soft compared to HDCAM.

HDV is soft compared to 720p.

Bearing in mind the new factories are churning out 1920x1080 pixel flatscreens as standard above 42 inch one has to be carefull with less than full res and that includes HDCAM in my view.

Mike Brennan


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Simon Wyndham
Re: Except...
on Oct 10, 2006 at 4:33:38 pm

Okay Mike. That as maybe. But since by far the vast majority of high def being shot in the world is HDCAM, DVCpro100, and HDV, that doesn't really leave very many, if any, options for people who aren't on multi-million dollar/pound budgets!

In any case, are any of the cameras around today actually capable of really resolving a full 1920x1080 resolution? I refer to Alan Roberts posting here;
http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=269032&highlight=viper#post2690...


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john sharaf
Re: Except...
on Oct 10, 2006 at 4:56:37 pm

Simon,

Yes, all the Sony high-end 1080 cameras (F900,950,1500,etc) make a full raster 1920x1080 in the camera head. It's on;y the HDCAM recorder which crunches it down to 1440. To remain native you hace to record on HDCAM-SR or directly to disc.

JS


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Simon Wyndham
Re: Except...
on Oct 11, 2006 at 8:33:04 am

On the spec sheet yes. But Alan Roberts tests (and he has tested pretty much every single high end high def camera out there, as well as being used as an advisor in some instances in early development) seem to suggest that they are not actually capable of resolving that amount of detail, as he describes from his zone chart tests.


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Bill Skinner
Re: Except...
on Oct 18, 2006 at 6:29:18 am

Michael
I have read many of your post and have learned much from them, as I am sure others do. So when I saw that you made a mistake in the one above I knew I must correct you. The Sony HD XDCAM has "True Progressive Chips"
Not only that, but it can be set to record true progressive picture just as the f900 does.Granted as the information is put to disk it is done so in the Psf format just as it is in the f900.

The only time the camera records at a reduced resolution is during overcranking....

Thanks again for all your good posts.


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