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Paul Provost
UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 5, 2010 at 6:37:23 pm

I'm trying to find an SDI HD closed cation decoder solution to be able to view cc from tape. Anyone know if it would be possible to add this feature to the UltraScope or if there is a standalone product available (I'v seen SD decoders but not HD SDI...)
thanks

Paul


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Bob Zelin
Re: UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 6, 2010 at 3:08:46 am

the Ultrascope is NOT a close caption decoder. And just for the record, the insanely expensive Harris Videotek TVM-700 (a dedicated hi end HD-SDI waveform monitor/vectorscope with error logging, and error detection for close captioning for both 608 and 708) is NOT a close caption decoder. So stop your whining why Blackmagic can't do what their competitors do. The competitors don't do this either. At 10 times the price.

Bob Zelin




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Paul Provost
Re: UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 6, 2010 at 4:38:31 am

oh Bob,
there was a time when I would respond to your posts with something like:
"WTF!! Do you even read posts before you respond to them you lunatic!"

but one of my new years resolutions is to be kinder to the elderly. I haven't even honked at one in traffic yet this year! or cursed under my breath in the supermarket line when they get out a checkbook (remember those?) to pay.

anyone interested in a clear and helpful reply, see my twin posting in the closed captioning forum...


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Bob Zelin
Re: UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 7, 2010 at 12:00:29 am

do you even read these posts before you respond to them ! you ask?

You write -
I'm trying to find an SDI HD closed cation decoder solution to be able to view cc from tape. Anyone know if it would be possible to add this feature to the UltraScope or if there is a standalone product available (I'v seen SD decoders but not HD SDI...)


"Anyone know if it would be possible to add this feature to the Ultrascope" -
well, I would LOVE for Blackmagic to "add" this feature - I would love for them to do a LOT of things with the Ultrascope. But for us mere mortals to "add close caption decoding" to the Ultrascope - gee, I guess the answer is no, none of "us" can do it. And I DOUBT that Blackmagic will ever do it. If you have been following the Ultrascope begging threads (please add this, please add that), error detection is one of the major "begging" features that we have been asking for (and other simple ones, like no requirement for a 1920x1200 display, or the ability to select LESS displays on the Ultrascope). So if they do ultimately give us error correction, we MAY get lucky and get error logging for close captioning errors (608 and 708), but I will faint if Blackmagic or ANY OTHER SCOPE MANUFACTURER has ever considered including a close caption decoding feature on their scope (and this includes Tek, Harris, Leader, OmniTek, and all the others).

Well, time for my enema, and time to soak my teeth.

Bob Zelin




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Jason Livingston
Re: UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 9, 2010 at 2:39:30 am

[Bob Zelin] "but I will faint if Blackmagic or ANY OTHER SCOPE MANUFACTURER has ever considered including a close caption decoding feature on their scope (and this includes Tek, Harris, Leader, OmniTek, and all the others)."

Hey Bob, here's a nice pillow to go with your fainting spell/enema/soak (hopefully not all at the same time...) :)

Look for CEA-708/608 or EIA-708/608 decode or display, all of the below have it:

Tektronix WFM6000/7000/8000 waveform scopes w/caption decoders:
http://www.tek.com/products/video_test/wfm/wfm6000_7000/

Harris TVM-4MA and others w/caption decoders:
http://www.broadcast.harris.com/productsandsolutions/TestMeasurement/TVMMul...

OmniTek OTM-1000 too:
http://www.omnitek.tv/products/video-test-measurement/otm-1000.html

etc...

Although I cannot vouch for the decoder accuracy of any of the above.


Jason Livingston
CPC Closed Captioning


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Paul Provost
Re: UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 9, 2010 at 2:50:34 am

Nice one Jason !

HE'S SUCH A GIRL - Independent Feature Film
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GIRLS ON THE WALL - PBS documentary
http://www.girlsonthewallmovie.com

grade and finish @ post + beam
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Bob Zelin
Re: UltraScope HD closed caption decoding
on Jan 10, 2010 at 3:50:36 pm

Hey Jason -
I was wrong on the Tek, but the Harris Videotek TVM-4MA is a metadata analyzer, not a scope (no waveform/vector functions).

It looks like the NEW TVM9100 scope from Harris DOES have decoding
"■608, 708 closed-caption detect, alarm, display" and I stupidly assumed that because the TVM700 only had 608 708 error dection, and no decoding, that the series didn't offer decoding.

My lesson here (once again) - never assume anything, until you research the LATEST NEW products.

I lose this round.

Bob Zelin




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