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Norman Willis
What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 3:16:53 am

Hello.

I may want to capture uncompressed video to a BMD Intensity Pro card.

Assuming I use a top-quality Ultra 1080p HDMI cable, what is the maximum HDMI cable length I can use before I start to suffer appreciable degradation and loss of signal?

Ultra makes 30, 50 and even 100 foot HDMI cables. If I could use a 50 foot cable, then I can leave my workstation and camera where they are (in separate rooms). If I can use a 100 foot cable, then I will have a lot more creative freedom for live capture in the field.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Norman Willis
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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 3:54:16 am

Here is Canon's response.

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Dear Nazarene Israel:

Thank you for writing to us. We value you as a Canon customer and
appreciate the opportunity to assist you.

The 12 minute limit is imposed by the buffer (filling up), not the
memory card or HDMI out.

You should be able to use an HDMI cable of up to 158 meters before you have to boost the signal.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your EOS 5D.

Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

Richard
Technical Support Representative


I really appreciate the fact that Canon gets back to one so quickly.

It sounds like the 12 minute limit exists regardless of the target. I wrote him back to confirm.

Norman


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 4:22:06 am

I mean, I wrote him back to ask if the 12 minute limit exists independent of whether the target is internal or external flash card, or HDMI OUT. I guess still camera circuitry might work differently than video camera circuitry?

Also, does anyone have experience with maximum HDMI cable lengths?


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Brian Louis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 7:35:05 am


Usually the max length with high quality cable is 100', longer runs like 150' have built-in digital Signal Boosters


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 12:41:08 pm

Cool. Thank you very much.

Gefen sells an 'HDMI Super Booster Cable' up to 150'.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dcable.jsp?prod_id=5736

Quote "Only cables up to 100' will support HDMI 1.3 at 1080p."

Quote "The 125 and 150 foot cables will support HDMI 1.2 at 1080p."

So it looks like I could get a 50' run for sure without signal loss?

And I can probably get a 100' run without appreciable loss?


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 12:35:18 pm

Hi Brian.

How well do those Cat 5e signal extenders work?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=...

Is there any degradation of signal due to conversion/compression of the signal to Cat 5e, and then reconversion/decompression back to HDMI?

Or am I just asking for signal degradation with these?

Norman


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Bob Zelin
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 8:26:03 pm

Hi Norman -
this is a very good question. I have never tried this particular unit, but at the InfoComm show in Orlando, there were at least 20 companies selling HDMI extenders just like this, that used 2 CAT 5e cables for the extention, and were all inexpensive. So at this price, I would definately try it. These are all probably made by one company in China, with different company names stamped on them.

So, try it, and let us know how it works. I bet it works just fine.

Bob Zelin




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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 19, 2009 at 9:03:31 pm

Hi Bob.

>>So at this price, I would definately try it. These are all probably made by one company in China, with different company names stamped on them.

Funny. And you are probably right.

>>So, try it, and let us know how it works. I bet it works just fine.

I would, but now that I think about it, the boxes I saw need 110V on either end in order to make them work. I won't have that in some of the locations I am looking to film (outdoors) and will barely have one 110V stand for the workstation. So I guess I am looking at the 'Super (Duper) Booster Cables' instead.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dcable.jsp?prod_id=5736

I can let you know how those work, if I end up going that route. As of last night I am trying to forestall all purchases for two months, just in case I might be able to get my hands on a nanoFlash unit instead, or in case the Canon EOS 5D comes out with a new model that does not have a 12 minute capture limit.

Thanks for your good thoughts.

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Brian Louis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 20, 2009 at 2:41:29 am


I never tried the cat5 extenders, I use a 50' cable and I know someone who uses a 75' with no problems, I don't know about the 100' but the Co. below has a 100' which they claim shouldn't be a problem.
http://www.abccables.com/home-theater-hdmi-cables.html


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 21, 2009 at 6:25:01 pm

I guess what they were saying was that if one goes too far, then the signal degrades from 1080p to 1080i. I am not at all sure how I would know if the signal degraded from p to i (i.e., I am not at all sure how I would know if my cable was 'too long' for my signal, and was not working for me). Is that something I could detect with my eye?



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Brian Louis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 22, 2009 at 6:56:48 am


What they are implying is the bandwidth capabilities deteriorate the longer the cable, 1080p is a much higher bandwidth than 1080i


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 22, 2009 at 8:18:55 pm

Perfect.

Thank you, Brian.

Norman


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Johnny Hsu
Re: What is the maximum length for the hdmi cable?
on Jun 23, 2009 at 9:47:20 am

Hdmi cable to extend the theory failed to do so long.
If you only collect video from the camera on the theory that the shorter the distance the better
If you are from the collection bd video player, you can say that the market players have the bd copyright protection can not be collected.
The other is as said above with a few good lines and may need to relay the signal amplifier


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for the hdmi cable?
on Jun 23, 2009 at 6:03:48 pm

Don't want to pirate anything.
Just want to capture original footage incompressed.
Shorter is better. Got it.
Thanks,
Norman


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Joshua Helling
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jun 30, 2009 at 8:54:34 pm

Please keep in mind that HDMI cable do not work like analog cables. The signal does not degrade over time. When the cable gets to long (or is of low quality) the signal will be there and perfect one foot, and the next it will be gone.

So if you get signal out of the other end...it should be full quality.

Of course....SDI works great for this, and you can always consider converters at the end. A 100' cable is major spendy. So the functional question, is are the converters and SDI cheaper? Maybe. Definately less problematic, and if you get a broken end on an SDI cable you can always put a new connector on. Your money is in the point devices not the cable.

Food for thought.

Sincerely,

Joshua
Director of Support
Blackmagic Design Inc.


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Norman Willis
Re: What is the maximum length for HDMI cables?
on Jul 2, 2009 at 1:23:51 am

Hi Joshua.
Thank you for taking the time.
That is very good to know.
Norman


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