SAG Indie Ultra low Contract
by Byron Chan
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Jun 18, 2009 at 5:15:01 am
I'm currently trying to make my first feature film with a very limited amount of money. I found 2 SAG actors which I want to cast, but after reading up about the SAG indie ultra low contract I'm not quite sure how everything will work out b/c it looks like it's going to cost me a LOT more money for these 2 SAG actors not b/c of the 100/day but because of all the other stuff that comes with it.. and since I'm shooting in San Diego it looks like I might have to put these guys up as "overnight" for all the days which means its gonna be impossible for me to do this.
If anyone out there knows anything about this ultra low contract and has experience producing a film with this contract in place please help me answer the following questions:
1. Can I bend or break some of the rules of SAG IF my actors are cool with it? meaning can SAG legally do anything to me or my production if they find out LATER ON that certain rules were broken or whatever.. and i mean.. how would they find out, or prove it for that matter?
2. I'm hoping to self-distribute my film after it does the festival run by selling DVD's thru the films own website, netflix, amazon, etc. And also try to do a theatrical run through arthouse independent theaters, or college theaters (i will charge people for tickets).. so the question is does the SAG contract restrict me from doing this??
I am currently trying to get the answer to #2 from SAG but apparently my SAG "representative" doesn't even know the answers to this.. so he's gonna ask the LA office through an email or something and get back to us.. who knows when this will be?
Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by Todd Terry on Jun 18, 2009 at 2:00:58 pm
SAG can do absolutely nothing to you.
As much as they would like to make noise and pretend they do, SAG has no jusrisdiction whatsoever over producers, directors, or anyone or anything other than their own members.
You can cast Anthony Hopkins in your non-SAG film and pay him a dollar a day.... IF he is willing to do it. It's entirely up to the talent.
Any repercussions to that deal would only be a problem for the talent, not for you.
Now, SAG might try to make it difficult for you to, say, legally hire their talent on your next SAG project... but if you do each and every separate project under a diffrent company banner (they way the majority of films are produced) they can do nothing to or impose any restrictions or sanctions against the "new" production company (even though it might be exactly the same people).
SAG should be working hard to make it easier to hire their talent... but they don't. Most of the time they just throw up a mountian of red tape and make it more difficult to hire their members, not easier.
I know that first hand... as not only am I a producer who occasionally needs to hire SAG talent (and yes, we do it "legally"), but before I became a wannabe movie director I was a wannabe actor myself... and am an AFTRA/SAG member. I personally never scabbed, but there were many instances when producers and directors on non-SAG projects wanted to cast me, but SAG made it so darn hard (and not just the money thing) that they didn't. In hindsight I probably should have taken the jobs anyway... I know many actors who do.
T2
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Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by Noah Kadner on Jun 18, 2009 at 4:19:27 pm
These days it's going to be hard to find a SAG actor willing to work without a contract. But if you really look at their SAGIndie contracts you can basically defer everything as long as you don't intend to exhibit the movie for pay. For festival films and calling cards it's a no-brainer.
Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by Todd Terry on Jun 18, 2009 at 4:50:15 pm
[Noah Kadner]"These days it's going to be hard to find a SAG actor willing to work without a contract."
Actually, I'm not sure if it is the economy, SAG political climate, the kinds of projects that are going on, or just the particular neck o' the woods that we are in.... but right now it seems especially easy to get SAG actors to work outside of union jurisdiction... at least around here.
To make it clear, we don't blatantly ask them to work outside SAG jurisdiction, and I don't overtly encourage my fellow union brothers and sisters to scab... we'll just put out casting calls or calls to the agents we use and they know ahead of time it's a non-union gig. Still, we get plenty of auditionees come in or headshots submitted from people that I know are union... sometimes those actors will just "neglect" to mention they are SAG, sometimes they will be upfront and say "I'm union and I know this is a non-union shoot... but I don't care, I want the gig."
Without actually counting it up, I'm betting in the last three or four weeks here we've had probably a half dozen or more instances where we have used SAG talent, and only one of those was on an actual SAG-signatory project.
It would probably behoove any producer counting nickles just to ask the talent what they are willing to do.
T2
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Todd Terry
Creative Director
Fantastic Plastic Entertainment, Inc.
fantasticplastic.com
Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by Byron Chan on Jun 18, 2009 at 5:22:06 pm
You mean SAG can't do ANYTHING even if we have the indie contract signed?? I just don't want any legal repercussions for them fnding out later that broke some of the rules.. like having to have a SAG stunt coordinator for $700/day.
Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by Noah Kadner on Jun 18, 2009 at 8:19:55 pm
Oh yes- SAG will be all over you if you sign their contract. If you don't sign the contract you as the producer are not at any legal risk whatsoever from SAG. Any actor who acts in your project leaves them self open to sanctions from SAG but that's not your problem. And as Todd suggests, the economic climate is relaxing the rules for actors. People need to work more than they need to worry about their union regs.
Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by clinton gorden on Jun 21, 2009 at 7:52:17 pm
i'm new to being in the movie. what is time frame to get your contract so that you are able to look it over. so i can sign it they are telling me that i will not get it till i'm on set to start filming. is this how it works are should i get it soon after they give me the part.please help!!!!!!!!!
Re: SAG Indie Ultra low Contract by John Fishback on Jul 1, 2009 at 8:06:04 pm
Here's a link to SAG contracts. Under the Contracts tab there's a dropdown to various contract forms. http://www.sag.org/content/contracts Of course, there will be blanks for names, dates, etc.
John
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