Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ?
by xzuxzu
on
Aug 30, 2007 at 9:00:35 am
I need to edit HD SR 25 progressive scan material. The station is : FCP studio 1, AJA KONA 3 HD. Capture is made via Dual-Link 4:4:4. Still I can't find where is the AJA preset for Progressive capture and editing via Final Cut. Only 1080i shows up, and setting the frame priority to "undefined" is not enough.
Any clue on this ?
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by xzuxzu on Aug 31, 2007 at 8:41:47 am
ok thx for the tips
but as I don't use easy setups, your file confirms that we just have the "frame priority" sets to "none". There is actually no specific settings for AJA to work in 25p, and what I was setting up was already correct.
AJA Kona3: 1080p 25 10 Bit
1920 x 1080...
square pixels
no frame priority (undefined)
QT settings : uncompressed 10 bits 4:2:2 (in HDV, you may set 1080p25 for instance)
I'de hope we could have a specific AJA codec for to edit in progressive mode
cheers
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by gary adcock on Aug 31, 2007 at 10:59:47 am
[xzuxzu]" There is actually no specific settings for AJA to work in 25p, and what I was setting up was already correct."
I corrected that by saying that the DL settings needed to be downloaded separately, mainly do to the lack of 4:4;4 work outside of the US at the time of that drivers build.
The 4.0 drivers for FCP6 now include the 25p DL setups.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by xzuxzu on Aug 31, 2007 at 1:52:53 pm
thx for the (quick) feedback
is there any chance I can apply 25p to FCP studio 1 (5.1.4) ?
it sounds strange to me I have to pay for a FCP update to make my AJA work at its maximum capabilities, don't you think ?
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by xzuxzu on Sep 1, 2007 at 8:11:46 am
OK, sorry I maybe not clear enough (I'm french).. but that is what I was saying : I've installed the files from the link and the setting still don't show any "AJA 1080p" compressor.
Again, I can see/use the setting and when I inspect the setup, the only change I see is that frame priority is set to 'none' and the compressor is the same like in 1080i setup "uncompressed 4:2:2".
In fact I suspect it is not enough to work in 25p, and I should find an "AJA progressive" compressor somewhere... but maybe, you will tell that it is enough ?
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by gary adcock on Sep 2, 2007 at 1:46:12 pm
first
you are working in the Psf format not true P and due to truth in labeling laws in the EU is is marked as such. so 25p is also 50i and it is sometimes listed as 25i.
if the compressor is asking for or telling you that it is 422 - you are not working in 444.
Capture of 4:4:4 material requires a dual HDSDI connection from an Sony SR deck or direct from a comparable camera, otherwise you are only capturing single link materials.
why don;t you go over your setup in detail.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by xzuxzu on Sep 7, 2007 at 5:02:17 pm
ok, I decided to take time and make test + cross-captures to check the full workflow back again.
still I cannot capture progressive material from SONY HD SR / HD to AJA Kona 3 !
I sum up the steps I did : I will focus on capturing 4:2:2 1080p25 footage
1- install your additionnal easy setup files and checked they appeared into FCP pro 5.1.4
2- set the AJA Kona setup panel to work with format 1080p25 see here =
3- set capture to 1080p25 with FCP 5.1.4
4- play 25p footage (example given is in 4:2:2 HD CAM)
At this point nothing works like I want : the FCP window shows artefacts, see here =
and the capture board "sees" only 1080i25 format as input, see here =
Weird thing is that the HD SR / CAM players show proper Playback output 1080p25 see here =
In fact, the only I have to deal with my footage is to go back to capture setting interlaced 1080i25, see here = it's the only way it works, but it is not 25p, am I wrong ?
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by JR-Links on Sep 13, 2007 at 4:13:27 am
I don't mean to cloud the issues here, but does it matter that soon we'll have FCP 6.0.2 ?
On display in the Sony Booth at IBC was a new alpha version of FCP (6.02a) with 1080 50P.
See this page at HDforIndies for more details.
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by gary adcock on Sep 16, 2007 at 8:24:52 pm
[Rory Hinds]"I'm having the same problem with setting the Kona 3 to output in 25p give me a green mess.
The only way to get it out correctly is to set it to 25i. "
thats because you are not shooting P....
the format is PsF and the output is always 50i.....
25i is the naming structure.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Re: Workflow for AJA KONA 3 HD : how to work in 25p ? by Rory Hinds on Sep 16, 2007 at 9:23:01 pm
Hi Gary
Nice to meet you at IBC.. I'm still having issues with my card and am talking with Gerry to sort things out.
How come they have 1080p25 and 1080p50 as format options in the control panel?
I've had major issues with my card and have pretty much replaced everything to issolate the problem. I'm actually starting to think I have a bad Mac or Graphics card as I can't explain why video in and out is such and issue.
Have you seen a situation where the card doesn't see HD video in on one input but not there other, even swopping them around.
I also get video dropping out when viewing the feed into a HDLink and get "spikes" on the signal too which look like "tearing".
