Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs?
by Peter Wiggins
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Jun 7, 2005 at 2:57:16 pm
All,
I know it is very early to speculate, but does anybody know if I will be able to move a Kona2 over to the Intel boxes when they are released?
Is the board locked to G5's or would a possible software update to the board let me run it in a maxed out quad 4G processor monster? :-)
I'm an editor not an engineer - especially with Intels!
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by Joe Murray on Jun 7, 2005 at 3:27:39 pm
I'm not an engineer either, but I think the Kona2 is already being used on Linux systems (RaveHD???) and since PCI is a hardware standard, it would probably just require a software update from AJA/Apple.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 7, 2005 at 5:49:03 pm
Your audio sync problem is related to a capture problem with Kona and FCP and Tiger...There is a workaround!!!
Unfortunately you can not batch capture but you can capture each clip as it is logged and the audio will be in sync..I am currently working on an HD movie shot at 23.98..I have successfully captured 800 clips so far...ALSO..I changed my device control offset to -3 (AJA swears that is should be -2.5 but I checked and their -2.5 offset will leace a 1 frame discrepancy between the tape TC and what FCP thinks the TC is...Other than this capture problem The KONA 2 seems to work in Tiger with FCP studio...Hope this helps your capture problem
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by keicol on Jun 7, 2005 at 8:06:22 pm
I would take a closer look at your slates, if you simply look for lip flap you may be deceived, If you're syncing sound separate from your HD SDI feed you'll be fine but if you've recorded sound in camera and are coming in via HD SDI at 23.98 using a lower res to off line you'll see it. Good luck with your project, I'd hate to see you have to redo it all
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 7, 2005 at 11:01:04 pm
Thanks for the advice but if I were you I would check your settings because this works 100% correctly..I have smart slates and the tc window tests to verify...EVERYTHING is in perfect sync.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by keicol on Jun 8, 2005 at 3:13:51 am
What version of quicktime are you using? Do you have the 2.7ghz Mac? Are you using a capture frame offset of 2.5? What frame rate are you shooting? What codek are you using to capture with? Thanks, Keith
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 8, 2005 at 5:17:56 am
I am running QT 7.1 and tiger on a dual 2.5 G5..capturing footage shot on HDCAM at 23.98 digitising into dvcpro100 codec..set capture offset to -3..you can only capture now or use the capture clip setting..DO NOT USE BATCH CAPTURE..this will cause the audio sync problem.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by keicol on Jun 8, 2005 at 6:19:47 am
Did your computer come with Tiger? Is it the new kind that can't work with Panther any longer? I am using the DVC Pro HD codec, maybe that could be the difference? Are you using any other offsets besides the -3 frame capture offset?
I've reverted back to FCP 4.5 and still have the problem, I can get audio to sync using an offset but then the Time Code will lose sync. I've discovered that a -7.5 gets my time code right on and has the audio out of sync by only a frame ahead of the video, not bad, it'll have to do. Tomorrow I'll re install FCP 5 and use that same offset and go with it'll be as close.
I'm shooting with 2 F900s and using an F500 deck for playback. Thanks for your responces, Keith
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 8, 2005 at 5:46:14 pm
Keith..I would go with my offset of -3..I am doing the same exact capture as you are doing..DONT USE BATCH CAPTURE..capture each clip one at a time..if you use a -7.5 offset the edl list will be WRONG if you give it to an outside person for online..Trust me My settings will work..I reported the problem to AJA over 1 a week ago and they are working on it..in the meantime..try my way and take the window burn out of the 500 deck to check to see that the window on the material you capture is the same # as FCP thinks it is in the viewer window..Let me know if thiat works for you cause it does for me.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by keicol on Jun 8, 2005 at 6:46:05 pm
I actually went back to FCP 5 this morning and tried your settings, I think I needed to go to the latest quicktime which I hadn't, as per your settings I did install the 7.1 update and yes it does seem to work, no batch capture is slow but at least I can work, thanks a ton.
You mentioned that you're using DVC Pro 100, is that the same as DVC Pro HD?
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by keicol on Jun 8, 2005 at 10:17:07 pm
Steve, thanks again,
Are you digitizing entire tapes with breakes in time code or are you actually capturing take by take one at a time? I'm five days behind now and looking at hours of capturing. My assistant editor is not very happy.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 9, 2005 at 1:22:40 am
Sorry to inform you and your assistant that you must do it the hard way..Yes I have TC breaks so I am forced to log one take at a time but in addition I changed my workflow so as not to log and Batch Capture but to mark in mark out then capture clip..this avoids the sync problem...I was 4 days behind and now I am finally caught up..It really does not take more than 10-15 min per tape extra to do it this way...we just better hope there is a fix before I have to Online this Movie..one clip at a time would become extremely painful to up res an entire film.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by keicol on Jun 9, 2005 at 5:52:22 am
Hey Steve, I'm running double sound and am beginning to realize that I just might batch capture video mos and use the mixers backup sound and sync, that way I'll get the iso'd mics and 2 more of her tracks, plus it'll make my post sound gal happy cause the mixer's delivering 24 bit WMD files on DVD from her Diva. Every time I work on someone elses project I say to myself that when I do my project I'm gonna show everyone the right way to do it, cheap, fast and good. well this is my project and....... I'll have to settle for good... thanks for your advice,
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 9, 2005 at 7:36:43 pm
You can do that..just remember to set the deck capture offset to -3 so the TC is correct..wow syncing all that stuff is gonna take so time as well..good luck
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? Audio Sync Fix by Steve Swersky on Jun 7, 2005 at 11:01:10 pm
Thanks for the advice but if I were you I would check your settings because this works 100% correctly..I have smart slates and the tc window tests to verify...EVERYTHING is in perfect sync.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by gary adcock on Jun 7, 2005 at 5:02:36 pm
[Joe Murray]"but I think the Kona2 is already being used on Linux systems (RaveHD???) and since PCI is a hardware standard, it would probably just require a software update from AJA/Apple."
That would be a correct, at IBC last year AJA was showing their xenia solution in the Microsoft booth.
I assume that AJA {and Apple} will be first out of the box on the solution side due to the way they work together on development now.
and
my 2.5 & 2.7 machines are running tiger and studio on dead on with audio sync. studio has quite a few issues however.
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by Bob Zelin on Jun 9, 2005 at 12:23:13 pm
Everyone has forgotten Peter Wiggins original question - will the existing Kona 2 run on the new Intel based MAC computers -
1) If it does run, AJA and Creative Cow will bill Peter Wiggins $2200, just because we don't want you to be able to get away with no upgrade fees.
2) Do you think by that time, AJA will have made so much money, that they will never release an upgraded HD card to run on the new MAC hardware? Maybe Rudy and Clark will be on the beach with tropical drinks, saying "screw those damn editors".
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by Jeff Bernstein on Jun 10, 2005 at 12:28:41 am
Hey guys. I'm at WWDC. As the days go by, less and less developers are fearful of this transition as we get more information. If you watch the Keynote, you will notice that everyone laughed right at about the halfway point as Jobs was looking for apps to run after he revealed he's running a Macintel. The reason everyone laughed is because I asked Steve to run Final Cut.
That said, the biggest issue for video will be for apps that have optimized their code for Altivec. These optimizations will need a do over.
I spoke with ATTO and they think this switch over will help speed things up for they will need to take out all the code in their driver that flips the data order around for the Mac on PowerPC.
Hmmmm. Things are looking better.
Jeff Bernstein
Digital Desktop Consulting
Apple Pro Video VAR
XSAN Certified
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by Ron on Jun 10, 2005 at 4:40:37 am
I remember a discussion on the forums years ago about the PowerPC "ceiling." Most seemed to believe 3Ghz processors was it. Now with Intel, is it possible to have 4 and 5 GHz Macs??? Then the days of Cinewave and Kona2 capture cards with on-board processing will be a thing of the past. These faster chips will do everything and a $200 capture card might be all we need!
I'm also just an editor, so feel free to destroy my logic. But I don't think I'm too far off. no?
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by Jerry Hofmann on Jun 10, 2005 at 3:15:16 pm
'Course I'm speculating, but I figure that these cards are going to work in the future Macs.. but also figure that they are 18 months away, they'll show up in the powermacs when Intel ships the dual core high end chips... and we'll see two of them in a PM... by that time, AJA will have come up with something new to slap in the mahines and we'll all be wanting whatever it is...
Jerry
Apple Certified Trainer
Author: "Jerry Hofmann on Final Cut Pro 4" Click here
Dual 2 gig G5, AJA Kona SD, AJA Kona 2, Huge Systems Array UL3D
Re: Will the Kona2 work with the new Macs? by Ron on Jun 10, 2005 at 5:58:00 pm
[Jerry Hofmann]"AJA will have come up with something new to slap in the mahines and we'll all be wanting whatever it is..."
I hope not! My Cinewave is going on 5 years of service (has it been that long?)
I'm not one to buy every new piece of hardware that comes out, so when I get the Kona 2, I hope it will last as long and expand as well as my Cinewave did...no matter what Apple's next machine or software release is.
