| Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway...
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 | Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway...
by Dale Launer on May 3, 2005 at 8:00:05 am |
I use two drives in my G5 - both have FCP and I use one to upgrade and see it if it works, and if it does, it goes on the other drive.
So I installed Tiger today. And so far - FCP opened up, the HUGE drives (DualMax 160s) still work, the Atto card still works, the drives comes up with no problem. And I did a little cursory editing and so far so good.
I tried a render - certainly no slower, might be a hair faster.
The suprise was that I have a PowerMate USB Volume Control that I use to expand and shrink the timeline - (zoom) - and before it was sluggish, annoyingly sluggish. But I prefer it to using keyboard macros (which were also sluggish). But now? Not sluggish. It felt like I went from a G3 400mhz to dual G5x2.5., but all I did was install Tiger. It is almost instantaneous, and now so fast that there is no wait. Anyone know why this would be?
I cut online HD 1080 material, which is usually buggier than anything else (with Cinewave). And so far it has gone through an hour and 15 minuts of timeline without a hiccup either.
I'm now rendering out a 2.5 minute trailer to H.264. I've had (and still have) problems rendering long sequences from the Cinewave HD Codec to MPEG2. So if this works I'll be surprised. If it doesn't work, no surprise actually. But when I went to export to QT conversion it automatically defaulted to h.264. How did it...know? I guess it didn't. Apple must you want you to check it out.
I was thinking of buying a Kona 2 tomorrow, but now I think I might have stay of execution.
I'm not sure I'm recommending it because I haven't played with it for say, a few hours at a time. Who knows? It might just shut down on me. Then again, that would happen with Panther too.
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Simmie on May 3, 2005 at 9:54:44 am |
Got to say I'm astonished - if not flabbergasted - that this is possible! I thought cinewave might play nice with tiger - but Quicktime 7 works with cinewave? I need to go and lie down...
Keep us posted eh?
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Johan Edstrom on May 3, 2005 at 10:06:12 am |
Sounds way too good to be true.
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by m4s43mon on May 3, 2005 at 12:33:09 pm |
Well I;m not sure if that's true or not, however, yesterday while I was following Johan's advice and backing all the os, fcp, qt and cinewave installers, I realized once again that the last CineWave Installer is called CineTiger Updater.... so who knows if they left a little sursprise for the faithful CineWave users... I really wish so...
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by deyson on May 3, 2005 at 12:40:25 pm |
Sounds good, wonder if Avid would feel any pity towards us, and keep cinewave cranking :)
hopeful thinking...
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Johan Edstrom on May 3, 2005 at 12:47:04 pm |
If so it's based on a fairly early developer seed of MacOSX.4 and QT7 so I wouldn't trust it to be 100% stable with what's been released by Apple. I'm really surprised you got it to work at all but I'm very excited that it did work as well as yo describe. FCP5 is a hole other can of worms though...
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Stanley Tang on May 3, 2005 at 4:16:31 pm |
I'm in the progress of installing Tiger, Cinewave 4.7 and FCP 4.5 on a new partition of a G5 dual 2ghz. Will update you guys in couple days.
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by christopher wright on May 3, 2005 at 4:28:51 pm |
Anyone know if you can use the same Tiger upgrade on two machines?? I have the Cinewave on my dual G4 and the IO on my dual G5 and am wondering if you can use the same upgrade disk on both?
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Johan Edstrom on May 3, 2005 at 6:52:23 pm |
Read the license agreement! For two machines you are supposed to pay for two licenses. You can get a family pack for private use. For business there's no standard volume discount. (From a technical standpoint I don't think there's any problem.)
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Francois Stark on May 5, 2005 at 7:16:46 pm |
[Johan Edstrom] "For business there's no standard volume discount."
Johan, Apple has volume licensing for businesses; Tiger costs:
10-99 seats $119
100-999 seats $109
1000+ seats $99
Tiger document set costs $20 each.
see here.
Regards
Francois
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Johan Edstrom on May 5, 2005 at 9:11:38 pm |
Missed that part. Sorry! I knew they did big volume discounts on a case to case business but I was unaware of this. Thank you for putting things straight.
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Stanley Tang on May 3, 2005 at 7:40:56 pm |
Ok, here is my result. Everything works smoothly with my 2ghz 2g ram G5 that has Tiger (QT7), Cinewave 4.7 and FCP 4.7 installed. Since I don't want to mess with my 10.3.6 setup, so I created a brand new partition on my drive. Installed Tiger on it, followed by FCP 4, updated FCP to 4.5, restart once. Installed Cinewave 4 then applied the 4.7 update before restarting it again. After the restart, I changed the bus setting under the bus manager in the Cinewave control panel, restart it one last time. Everything is now up and running. FCP 4.5 captures and playbacks our old projects (both HD and SD) without a single problem.
I'll give it a month or two before I upgrade our other G5 directly, though.
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Ron on May 4, 2005 at 3:05:31 am |
This is all good news as I too am considering a Kona2 in the near future. I still think I have the perfect card for what I do now, and if I can hang on to it for a couple more months, that makes me happy.
How is RT on the card? Do you still see all of the Cinewave features (RT, multi-codec, RT effects like CC)?
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Post Office Video on May 4, 2005 at 4:43:25 pm |
I am also running Tiger, Quicktime7 and Cinewave 4.5 on the second drive of my G5. So far it has been very promising- digitizing to Cinewave 8 bit is normal and real time mixing of uncompressed, DV and animation with alpha still works. I was unable to play video backwards at first but switching external video off & on a few times fixed it. Digitizing to apple 8 and 10 bit codecs also continues to work normally, with display through Cinewave which for me holds out hope that FCP5 may indeed work. So far the only problems have been a conflict with SuitcaseX1 and a setting issue with my Bella keyboard. Both would seem to be more a problem with these 3rd party products than with Cinewave.
I truely wonder if someone with a heart of gold at Pinnacle did indeed make the Cinawave 4.5 driver compatible with Tiger. If so, thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU!
( I heard an episode of the NPR radio program "This American Life" where an engineer at Apple refused to leave after both he and his project were terminated. He kept sneaking back in and eventually got clandestine help from sympathetic engineers who still had jobs (no pun intended). His finished product was the Graphing Calculator, the only native application Apple had when it launched the Power PC. He eventually received some modest compensation for this and now works somewhere else. I am always amazed when someone cares more about doing a good job than toeing the corporate line.)
Anyway, I will of course not trust any bread and butter projects to an unsupported configuration. But when FCP5 comes out (May 17?) you'd better believe I'll be trying it on Cinewave!
Chris Paul
POV
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Johan Edstrom on May 4, 2005 at 4:52:17 pm |
Have you tried digitizing directly in QT7 Pro?
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Ron on May 4, 2005 at 5:04:50 pm |
QT7: you can digitize directly to QT7?
That would leave hope for my Cinewave as, at the very least, a future logging/capturing station!
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Dale Launer on May 4, 2005 at 5:52:22 pm |
Have you tried digitizing directly in QT7 Pro?
What do you mean by directly?
Like opening a QT/Targa file in QT and exporting from there?
Or...?
Dale Launer
writer.filmmaker
G5 Cinewave HD Huge
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Ron on May 4, 2005 at 6:00:42 pm |
If you read the website, like I just did, it looks like you can now capture clips directly in QT7...but from what I read so far it looks like firewire only right now. (I didn't read everything). If you have QTPro, is there a way to capture from the Cinewave hardware?
This would be nice!!! Especially for those of use who still have "capture now" delay issues....but don't have the Cinewave standalone capture application.
Ron
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• | | | |  | Re: Tiger and Cinewave GRRRR----REAT! So far anyway... by Johan Edstrom on May 4, 2005 at 6:12:28 pm |
Yes, QT 7 pro is a now a capture app. It's sweet but nothing more than what a bunch of third party apps did with QT before. This and the H.264 codec (which is truly f-n amazing) are the coolest new features.
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