Livetype on HD timeline
by Greg Ball
on
Jun 28, 2008 at 3:36:48 am
I'm editing a show on HD from an EX1, and I need to out put it as a full frame SD project on Digibeta. The client does not want it letterboxed.
Everything works well and looks great! My only issue is that I need to create a few lists of text with will be on the right side of the frame while I have boxes of video clips on the left side.
Since converting this sequence to full frame SD requires resizing the video 50% How would you handles livetype like this? Do I wait until I've created my SD timeline and do the graphics work there? Or do I create this in the HD timeline? I also have a Logo that was delivered to me as a PSD file. How do I work with that?
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by David Roth Weiss on Jun 28, 2008 at 4:07:54 am
Greg,
Cut and paste your video to a 8-bit uncompressed SD timeline, resize and position the video properly in it's final position, then do your titles. Otherwise, I can assure you will wind up doing all the titles twice. There's nothing like working with the final product right in front of you.
David
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Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Dan Riley on Jun 28, 2008 at 5:23:14 am
um. excuse me, but you certainly don't need to create a new timeline for
output to SD. Do you use a KONA 3 card? You simply have the secondary
output be centercut SD out SDI to your digibeta which is exactly what we do.
I cut the DVCPRO HD 720p 23.98 sequence, using an HD monitor while editing,
with the monitor set to show me safe title for SD or I just watch the show on the
Sony monitor right next to the HD monitor.
All you need to do with livetype is make sure the stuff ends up in safe title.
follow up by Greg Ball on Jun 28, 2008 at 12:38:10 pm
Thanks. I actually have a LHe card. But I'm leaning toward what you're suggesting David. Basically I'm editing it on my home system and then moving it to another system at a client facility to output the Digibeta. Both systems are identical.
With that in mind, if I'm using the same external drive, do I only need to move the project file onto that external drive and plug it into the the client's system to output my sequence? Any catches? Thanks.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Chris Poisson on Jun 28, 2008 at 1:05:41 pm
I COMPLETELY agree with David. Dan, that was very rude. Plus assuming the poor guy has a $2500 card is a really arrogant presumption, as though you were saying, "What stupid, you don't have a Kona card?" You owe him an apology.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Chris Poisson on Jun 28, 2008 at 3:08:25 pm
I meant to add, I also agree with David's workflow recommendation, even though I DO own a Kona card, because I can zoom, pan and tilt with 1080 material in and SD timeline, and work on the same projects at work where I DON'T have a Kona card.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Dan Riley on Jun 29, 2008 at 3:27:02 pm
Well I guess I pissed everyone off. Didn't mean too. Sorry, I apologize.
In my experience you don't need to make a separate sequence when
outputting to DigiBeta from a DVCPROHD 23.98 sequence when
using a Kona3 Card. That was what I should have said, without the
commentary I guess.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by David Roth Weiss on Jun 29, 2008 at 3:36:44 pm
[Dan Riley]"Sorry, I apologize."
No problem Dan!!! I'm really glad you did that, it's so, so rare these days.
BTW, as I said before, there are many ways to skin a cat, and you're right it's not necessary to move to an SD timeline. But, given the complexity of Greg's titling scheme and the flexibility in terms of resizing and repositioning HD video on the SD timeline, I think it's a good choice.
In any case, let's get back to saving the world now.
THNX for responding...
David
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Dan Riley on Jun 29, 2008 at 3:49:18 pm
While we're on the Livetype subject, have you noticed since FCP 6.0.2,
if you have a title with a background (like type setting on a color bar or something)
you must render the title before importing to FCP? Previously all you had to do
was import the livetype file. If you don't render, the livetype background doesn't
key correctly, like the alpha isn't being seen by FCP.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by David Roth Weiss on Jun 29, 2008 at 4:00:21 pm
[Dan Riley]"If you don't render, the livetype background doesn't
key correctly, like the alpha isn't being seen by FCP."
Feature set or bug? I suspect the later. In fact, I'd go way out on a limb and say definitely a bug. Seems like updates are almost always two steps forward, one step back at almost every turn.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Chris Poisson on Jun 29, 2008 at 4:35:57 pm
Hey Dan,
You showed some character there, that's nice.
BTW with LiveType (and this is for the original poster too) I have always rendered my titles, as there are usually more than one in a job, so my LiveType projects always have a bunch of layers as a result, So I just turn them on in turn, and render each.
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Mitch Ives on Jun 30, 2008 at 3:56:39 pm
If you go to 6.0.3 and QT 7.5, I think you will find that it works again. It appears to have been QT 7.4.5 that broke it. We first saw that when 6.0.3/7.4.5 were installed. It affected more than LiveType... all the chroma keyers stopped working as well...
Re: Livetype on HD timeline by Dan Riley on Jun 30, 2008 at 11:28:29 pm
I've been waiting for time between projects to upgrade from QT 7.4.5, OS 10.5.2 and
FCP 6.0.3. All done this morning and you are correct sir, Livetype now works
in timelines without rendering the livetype files before importing.
To me this saves a step of rendering twice. Also I can "open in editor", the livetype title
directly from the timeline which also saves time.
Now I see this afternoon there is another new OS, 10.5.4, but I think I'll wait a little bit
before upgrading to that version.
